Hardcore In Perth

[DIY Lobotomy]

I would like to know why Perth has completely turned it's back on dutch hardcore, to the point where it barely even recognises it as a style that exists at all.

I would also like to know why Promoters that I have emailed (some more than once) don't even bother to reply to me.

I play Dutch hardcore yet have not been contacted to play in Perth since NYE 2000/2001. Recently I have been motivated to play again, so I have emailed a couple of promoters who have not even bothered to respond.

I am also of course aware of the "reign" of Church Decorator, but I still fail to see how this affects the Dutch hardcore style, and how this is reflected on me. Church Decorator is one person.

Over the last few months I have noticed very obvious "coldness" of a few people directed at myself and friends who are into the same style of music. The people who act "cold" are the people who get right into this guestbook, and who are more directly involved with Perth's scene. At first I found it quite amusing, but now it's starting to piss me off.

I happen to know that many people get right into and enjoy dutch hardcore and would love to hear it out again, so why can't it be part of Perth's scene?

I have kept quite about this for long enough. You can't ignore me or an entire style of music.

[kranky al]

dude when noone wanted to put on drum'n'bass in 94/95 me and my mates got off our arses and put our own parties on and lost a lot of money doing so. we believed in our music and in the long term it paid off. surely you can get 10 or so of your mates together to spread the cost and create something.. if you have the passion for your music and you really believe in it this is the way.... you say it yourself best... DIY

[DIY Lobotomy]

Well that idea has been tossed around for the last few years, and we were quite close to putting on an event when a few things fell through. But I don't want the role of a Promoter at present, I don't have the time or the money to do so.

The deal is, about a year ago I played it several times and that was fine. Now again, all I want to do is play it occasionally. I honestly don't want to play at every event. What I don't understand is the fact that the promoters decide they can't even be fucked replying to emails of mine. That's just plain rude.

I only want a set for one reason : to play good music. I'm not going to go through the hoop-jumping bullshit that usually accompanies getting anywhere in this very small scene.

[Adam Brown]

Why don't you speak to these people in person.

Perth is small, I'm sure you could get the phone numbers of these promoters relatively easily.

Arrange a meeting, explain your case to them, it's not like you don't have the enthusiasm needed to win them over.

[kranky al]

unfortunately, that is what it takes dude. when the promoters dont like the style u r into you are pretty much fwucked so you have to create your own thing, thats how intelligense, raggabone loaded dice, resin, delirium and many other kru's in perth started

[nigel]

I was actually looking forward to you playing some at Rayas party as I only saw a few minutes of your set at WaxOff2 and Intencity..

You and your mates chose to sit in the kitchen with the door shut http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[CutZaBass]

they probably saw you coming El-hair-net and said quick shut the door here comes that drummer/hardcore dj

[DIY Lobotomy]

Quote: from Elhornet on 4:02 pm on Sep. 4, 2001
I was actually looking forward to you playing some at Rayas party as I only saw a few minutes of your set at WaxOff2 and Intencity..

You and your mates chose to sit in the kitchen with the door shut http://www.teknoscape.com.au/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/smile.gif


We all played at that party for about half an hour when we were then kicked off because someone wanted to play happy hardcore.

The door was shut because I was in my happy dexi comfort zone thankyouverymuch, and all the old skool music was upsetting me and making me feel ill.

Adam : I used email rather than the phone, I find it easier to get a point across - I would lose my track too easily on the phone..

[DIY Lobotomy]

Quote: from kranky al on 4:01 pm on Sep. 4, 2001
unfortunately, that is what it takes dude. when the promoters dont like the style u r into you are pretty much fwucked so you have to create your own thing, thats how intelligense, raggabone loaded dice, resin, delirium and many other kru's in perth started


No, there must be another way!

[Versetyle]

Quote: from DIY Lobotomy on 1:22 pm on Sep. 4, 2001
I would like to know why Perth has completely turned it's back on dutch hardcore, to the point where it barely even recognises it as a style that exists at all.

I would also like to know why Promoters that I have emailed (some more than once) don't even bother to reply to me.

I play Dutch hardcore yet have not been contacted to play in Perth since NYE 2000/2001. Recently I have been motivated to play again, so I have emailed a couple of promoters who have not even bothered to respond.

I am also of course aware of the "reign" of Church Decorator, but I still fail to see how this affects the Dutch hardcore style, and how this is reflected on me. Church Decorator is one person.

Over the last few months I have noticed very obvious "coldness" of a few people directed at myself and friends who are into the same style of music. The people who act "cold" are the people who get right into this guestbook, and who are more directly involved with Perth's scene. At first I found it quite amusing, but now it's starting to piss me off.

I happen to know that many people get right into and enjoy dutch hardcore and would love to hear it out again, so why can't it be part of Perth's scene?

I have kept quite about this for long enough. You can't ignore me or an entire style of music.


Hi, I like ALL styles of hardcore and am willing to give new dutch hardcore a go if u give me a tape and the tape is good , i buy bits and bobs at times and like what I buy. If u wish to take this oppertunity then please bring ur demo down to resistance on saturday night between 6:45pm and 1:00am or even elysium on friday night, I am on at 2am, failing that just email me and we can sort something out.

[Versetyle]

Whoops, the email addy on my profile is fucked so use ruff_knite_01@hotmail.com.

[Pinhead]

Quote: from DIY Lobotomy on 1:22 pm on Sep. 4, 2001
I would like to know why Perth has completely turned it's back on dutch hardcore, to the point where it barely even recognises it as a style that exists at all.

I would also like to know why Promoters that I have emailed (some more than once) don't even bother to reply to me.

I play Dutch hardcore yet have not been contacted to play in Perth since NYE 2000/2001. Recently I have been motivated to play again, so I have emailed a couple of promoters who have not even bothered to respond.

I am also of course aware of the "reign" of Church Decorator, but I still fail to see how this affects the Dutch hardcore style, and how this is reflected on me. Church Decorator is one person.

Over the last few months I have noticed very obvious "coldness" of a few people directed at myself and friends who are into the same style of music. The people who act "cold" are the people who get right into this guestbook, and who are more directly involved with Perth's scene. At first I found it quite amusing, but now it's starting to piss me off.

I happen to know that many people get right into and enjoy dutch hardcore and would love to hear it out again, so why can't it be part of Perth's scene?

I have kept quite about this for long enough. You can't ignore me or an entire style of music.


ooh pick me pick me - i know why perth has turned its back on hardcore

[kranky al]

what are you - a nose, thepick yourself- either answer the question or toss off

why would a promoter who is putting on extremely successful parties and HATES your style of music go out of his way to put you on.
promoting is fucking hard work and on the night you are knackered- why would you want to put on a set that you are going to hate if you dont gain anything from it. do you honestly think that mfi would have made any more money if they had a dutch gabber set.... now reverse the situation, put yourself in the drivers seat, gabber is whats rockin it in the scene and dj x (dnb) rocks up to mr decorator and says he wants a set- what would be your answer churchy..........

stop bleating about no-one giving your music a go and build your own fuckin thing, dont expect to be given a free ride- coz guess what- the real world aint like that. thei suspect the reason that none of you guys do it is coz you dont have the faith in your music that you profess and its just a whole load easier to come on here and blame it on someone else. the my respect goes out to roller kru and the rosemount boys coz they put their money and effort where their hearts and mouths are- not like you churchy you pathetic whiner.

(Edited by kranky al at 1:36 am on Sep. 5, 2001)


(Edited by kranky al at 2:15 am on Sep. 5, 2001)

[Adam Brown]

Quote: from DIY Lobotomy on 4:57 pm on Sep. 4, 2001

Adam : I used email rather than the phone, I find it easier to get a point across - I would lose my track too easily on the phone..
It seems that e-mail isn't working, if you really wanted to get your music played then you'd pull your finger out and meet up with these people in person.

Also, Olly/Versatyle is giving you a chance to play at Resistance... CARPE DIEM, don't be a fool...

[nigel]

Then again, if Dj's want sets somewhere it usually helps if they support the night/event/promoter they want to play at.

The 'I am a Dj so I want a set' mentality gets you nowhere.

[RandomLogik]

DIY lobotomy :

there is an event under consideration with the wanneroo council as numerous people have requested one (read the thread in the couch) , anyone interested, dj's mc's, lighting, sound ANYTHING to be apart of it, post your thoughts http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Xtreem]

GODVERDOMME!! DUTCH HARDCORE!!

[DIY Lobotomy]

Quote: from Elhornet on 11:04 am on Sep. 5, 2001
Then again, if Dj's want sets somewhere it usually helps if they support the night/event/promoter they want to play at.

The 'I am a Dj so I want a set' mentality gets you nowhere.


No, I'm not going to support an event just so I can get a set. I would support an event if I liked it, not for any other reason.

The "I'm a DJ so I want a set" has worked for me before, so it'll work again!!!!!

Random Logik : I'll find that thread and post my thoughts..

[nigel]

I can just see the offers flooding in.

[DIY Lobotomy]

Seriously though, what's the alternative? I think the best way would be to express interest in playing out and sending or giving a promoter a mixtape or CD. That's the professional way, that's the way it should be.

Like I said before, I'm not going to jump through the usual hoops, I don't believe in that.

So maybe that reduces the chance to get a set, but at the end of the day, if I do get a set, at least I know it's for the right reasons.

Thankyou and goodnight.

[nigel]

I've got one of your tapes here actually.
The mixing is quite good.

The weird thing is, why would you want to play out here if you don't beleive anything that anyone puts on is worthy of your support?
Do you hate everything in Perth that much? I know some of you Albany people used to like Drum and Bass, no matter how much you deny it and slag it now.

What do you plan on doing, getting a set at a gig you don't like, don't want to support, and won't enjoy? Would you play your set and then leave because you hate whatever is going to be on after you?

Maybe it's best you put your own night on somewhere and play music you actually want to hear. That seems to make a whole lot more sense to me than wanting to play in a scene you seem to hate.

[kranky al]

no faith in their own music. they want to piggyback and have all the hard work done for them.
go suck yo mommas tit

[DIY Lobotomy]

Calm down everybody. Kranky Al, who's "they"? Stereotyping again?

Just because someone wants to play set, doesn't mean they want to be a promoter. They are 2 very different things. I have lots of faith in my music, but like I said, I do not want to promote.

El Hornet, I see your point. But look at it from my perspective : there is no hardcore in perth. I would like there to be some. It's as simple as that.

Would you support a 100% hardcore event just because you wanted to introduce your style? Surely not. I would certainly support an event that was willing to give hardcore a go. But I'm not going to go to an event just in case a promoter will see me and think I'm supporting their event.

There aren't enough people in perth to create a whole other scene.

I'm sure there is some balanced way of having both. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

[Trueplaya]

its not about being seen or promoting a rave, grow up

[flaunt]

krank youre rite - unfortunately promotors dont just give you a set because youre a dj.. promotors (like the rest of us) have their own tastes, and arent gonna give dudes a go if they dont like the style they play.
I got a set at gravity now and again, and had a good response - but after a few months of no sets, i called them and was told "ohh yeh, youve gotta be in here every weekend coz theres new guys who are in here chasing after sets every week". Now, i could have gone in EVERY week and sucked up, and probably got regular sets, but that would make me another cocksucker - and theres enuff of them floating about. I had the chance to hang around "the crew" but I had my own mates, my own life, and why throw that away just to get regular sets?? It sucks, but thats the way it goes..
All I can recommend is mix up a CD, burn a shitload of copies, and spread it round - thru mates, send it to promotors, give it to EVERYONE. And if versetyles offering u a set - jump at the chance mate!!
That reminds me olly ... ?!?! heheheh :cool:

[kranky al]

i was having more of a go at churchy diy. he whines constantly and blames it all on the promoters and isnt prepared to do a #### thing about it. i think all you guys should get together and do something rather than expect mfi or emerge to do it for you. sitting here complaining isnt gonna do a #### thing. negativity such as slagging these guys off wont change a thing where as a positive push for your scene will.

[Adam Brown]

The phrase "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" comes to mind.

I know that you're probably thinking "But I havn't done anything to offend MFI or Emerge, that was Church Decorator, why should they let one person influence how they feel about a whole style of music?"

But the thing is, nobody really knows who Church Decorator is... they don't, I don't, but YOU do. There's a good chance that DJ Neurotic and Church Decorator are 2 very seperate people, but that doesn't mean that Jamie from Emerge or Dan Lucas from MFI are convinced yet. Untill it's actually proven that Church Decorator has nothing to do with the ATT, they will continue to ignore you.

Want me to take that bullet out of your foot?

[DIY Lobotomy]

Quote: from flaunt on 3:24 pm on Sep. 6, 2001
i could have gone in EVERY week and sucked up, and probably got regular sets, but that would make me another cocksucker - and theres enuff of them floating about.


Yes, that's my point. I don't want to be one.

Adam Brown : is that what this is about? Because as far as they are concerned I -or one of the 'att' - could be the Church Decorator? Guilty until proven innocent, right?

So in order to get a set, perhaps I have to tell everyone who Churchy is?

(Edited by DIY Lobotomy at 4:20 pm on Sep. 6, 2001)

[kranky al]

churchy i think would have just been a factor in hardening opposition, the basic fact remains, the two biggest rave promoters in town dislike your music, i dont see you on at system 6 and drum club are talkin about doin parties and you can guarantee you wont be on there. what are you gonna do, sit on here and whinge till you are 85?

[hitmonlee]

Quote: from DIY Lobotomy on 4:19 pm on Sep. 6, 2001
So in order to get a set, perhaps I have to tell everyone who Churchy is? so you're saying you know who he is, mr lobo?[color=5555]

[Adam Brown]

I'm not trying to get narky at you, I mean I'm your friend and I want to see you get a set just as much as every other gabber-fiend in this city, I'm just giving ideas as to why they are "ignoring" you.

Both Jamie and Dan have been the butt of Church Decorator's verbal bashings, so even if there's a 1% chance that you might be somehow connected to him, they're not going to give you an inch to move.

Dude, just talk to them in person, I don't think they're going to give you a chance otherwise.

[DIY Lobotomy]

Yeah, looks like that may be the way to go...

[Versetyle]

Quote:
That reminds me olly ... ?!?! heheheh :cool:



Hehe ... I am gunna sort u out, but if ur not there every week then sorry mate hahahahahahahahaha <jk> Yeh but u still have'nt come down for that beer man ? Bring ur friends , come one come all etc.. <shameless plug>.
Soon young skywalker ... soon hehe http://www.teknoscape.com.au/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/smile.gif

[nigel]

The reason alot of people still associate Church Decorator with the ATT might have something to do with his mp3 site that used to read something along the lines of :

Church Decorator, a member of the ATT.

[Pinhead]

it was

IN ALLIANCE WITH THE ATT

you moron

not a member - jesus christ

in alliance does NOT MEAN a part of, does it now?

[kranky al]

he did say along the lines of, you scrot- any way it still doesnt address the issue at stake

[nigel]

I think I might have touched a nerve seeing they told you that you were way too much of a knob to hang out with them.

Funny thing is, I've got a mental picture now of you as a 3 foot tall kid in year 1 wearing his school uniform stamping his foot on the ground yelling 'IN ALLIANCE DAMMIT! ALLIANCE!', so from this point onwards thats how I will be thinking of you.

[madhatter]

i severely dislike hardcore http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif........ that is all.

[RandomLogik]

no i don't mind hardcore
it gives events a good vibe and it's good to hear \different styles of music http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[madhatter]

i spose its not 2 bad i just cant ever dance to it. http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[RandomLogik]

my first ever event was a hardcore event so it holds a place in my heart i guess http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[max6152]

who is this church decorator character? he seems to have stirred up a veritable hornet's nest with his postings.

anyhow, there's a very good reason hardcore isn't big in perth and that's because people aren't interested in it which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

put it like this - at an eardrum torture gig there's a pretty small comglomorate of heads but that just suits me down to the ground. there's no pretenses about what you're getting at a hardline gig...

1. hardcore music
2. free entry
3. sound
4. a bar
5. no lights, bells and whistles, frills etc

so if people are in attendence, they're there because they want to (or to take a piss or buy a drink at the bar) - much better than having a room filled with people who aren't into the sound are just "there" in my humble and wrong minded personal opinion.

another thing (and no names will be mentioned) is when a gig is organized - a lot of people who 'should' be there aren't - so it's frustrating for the two people who actually go out of their way to organize something to see that people are much happier whinging and carrying on like thirteen year old school girls (apologies to all the thirteen year old school girls on this board, i'm sure there's an entire homeroom of you on here!) about the state of hardcore in perth when they're not willing to support and represent. i mean, fuck's sake!

finally, on a more positive note, for those people who do want to talk about shit, feel free to email me at hardlinerekordingz@yahoo.com, join the mailing list hardlinerekz-subscribe@egroups.com, check out the joint hydraul1k and hardline website http://welcome.to/eardrumtorture or sign up onto the message board for lots of fun.. http://pub95.ezboard.com/baussiehardcoreisht

[rowan]

good to see you still kicking max. :)