ALL AGES!? BERLIN!? GET YA HAND OFF IT!!

[Xtreem]

I can't beleive that there is going to be an ALL AGES party at the
old Berlin!!!
How RETARDED!!... For once in the history of raving
(in the last 4 years) can't we just lose the glittery and flashy (somewhat edging towards commercial) image with all the
*ViDeO GaMeS!!* and ** gLoW StiCkS!!**??
Why would teenagers 18 to as young as 15
find going to this particular venue or anything like it signifigant? the the theNO REASON!
Don't ya reckon there is more incentive for hardcore party guys and gals to come out of hibernation
and to a gig at the Old Berlin if
there wasn't heaps streeties,
townie criminals and just plain children
running around doing kiddy things?
It is obvious why 95% of the parties these days are all ages and thats because thats where the money. A handfull of promoters and associates these days think that money
what is mostly important seeing they have only kicked off things (respectively) in the last few years.
You can scathingly attack me or do it with a rubber phalice
but someone else out there
must think somewhere along the lines I do.
Is someone going to do something about this??
:confused:



(Edited by erratik at 5:08 pm on June 26, 2001)

[weez]

what can u do huh?...

[hitmonlee]

i'm guessing there's no alcohol either

[dreams]

Do you remember when you were younger? How did you get into the scene? All ages give the younger kids something to look foward to..... you think that the promoters make lots of money from these gigs?

[r]

aheaehHEAehahEAeahHEAaheEAHeaheaeaeah

[JAMES H]

Erratik although I would prefer this venue and event to be original Berliners only and certainly only to have DJs that played there - [Darren Briais is not on the list, nor Miggy, Hubba etc] my mates and I have decided to go anyway.

I'm sure there will be a lotta young bunnies there and it will probably detract from what we remember from those days - but I'm sure not gonna stay at home for it. FUCK THAT, its been too long since this club was open!

I think MFI should have been a bit more realistic about the event and perhaps made it at least 18 plus.

But on the flipside, has any of the old production companies such as Source, Raggabone, Ohm Nrg, Spice productions etc done a Berlin night @ the Berlin?

Reunion was killed off in a sad move by Raggabone and Rewinds a few and far between these days. I have to at least give MFI the credit for putting it on.

A lot of old crew are going and although some of my friends have decided to give it a miss cause its all ages - I think they are going to miss a good night - you may even see some old faces you've long forgotten.

I'll be there making some fucking noise.. I hope you'll come too - at least show the new crew what "going fuckn hard" means.

Rave on

[zoombox]

yeah erratik i might not be underage but i wasnt old enough to go to berlin when it was open, i think MFI is doing something good by using the venue, it gives people like me a chance to see what the place is like.
Sure it wont be the same as what it used to be like, but you never would be able to reincarnate what it was like, should be a good night anyway.

[vapours]

I agree with you erratik.

Altho I am only 19, and never was around to experience Berlin, I think this should be a night left to the older crowd that dont come out anymore. It is not all the time opportunities like this come along, and I think the most should be made of it. I would be more than happy to give my ticket away for a veteran of the scene.

[Xtreem]

Don't get me wrong.. I am not saying it will be a shit night.
I think after all this time that Berlin has not been open, should be 18+ due to most people that are 18+ these days only know what I am talkin about..
I'm not trying to make it sound like 'oooh we are soo old skool' or 'oooh we are so elite'
You out there and I know that all ages gigs just don't cut like a 18+ one would (especially at Berlin!)
Take a look at how much Rewind at Metropolis went off!!
That was fuckin slammin...
do you think you could imagine what that
night would have been like if it was all ages!?
You can't really talk about it without trivialising it.
what gets to me is why mess up oppourtunities like this
when you have the chance and the money to do it, I guess it's coz maybe you have never really known much better than what we have now.
time moves on.....

[zoombox]

erratic stop your bitching and be happy with what you have been served

[jamie]

i heard other old promoters did try and get berlin and were denied..

[Grover]

Maybe they were in with the wrong criminal organisation...

[aleks]

erratik I cant see whats the big deal. So what? an all age gig is being put on in the old berlin. The gig is open to all who want to come not just the 18+'ers

Now that it will be used for a gig, it will pave the way for other promoters to put a night dedicated purely to the Berlin days. Like reunion etc..

[Dr4g0n]

Quote: from erratik on 3:59 pm on June 20, 2001

the 2 Step scene doesn't need you weeniez anyhoo.... we are an elite group.. you and your are not elite therefore... shuttupayaface

[jamie]

my personal opinion on another promoter using berlin, is that it would be VERY rude, MFI did the hard yards to get the venue, it shouldn't become public domain for every promoter to cash in on.

fair enough 10 years ago it was being run by other people who are still around, but they could of approached the owners many times.
I have a lot of ethics when it comes to venues, if another promoter finds a venue, it is thier venue, espcially if they worked hard to get that venue, because as soon as a 2nd party is thrown in that venue it takes away from the original party which was there.
i mean with berlin, it's been completely dormant for 10 years, so i would consider it first come first served.

Personally I wouldn't use the venue myself, although i have no ethical problem with using it, because i know you'd have to put up with crap like people saying it should be 18+ etc etc etc, more hassle than its worth.

if a few month's down the track another promoter approaches berlin even to do a back to berlin party, i would consider it unethical because they didn't do the hardyards to convince the venue in the first place.

convincing a venue owner to let 1000+ people dance to loud music all night in his venue takes a lot of convinving, like sometimes it takes months of meetings and neogotiation, and for another promoter to just walk in and use the venue without appreciating your work is annoying.
enough of my waffling on though.

[nigel]

Shedding some light on the situation somewhat...

Darren Brias was asked to play and declined.
I'd love to see Miggy play again, but I don't think he Dj's anymore.
Hubba is unavailable.

A back to Berlin party would be fantastic, yes, but it is not possible to license the room as far as I am aware, hence the party is all ages.

Erratik, at no stage during the clubs existance were you 18. Why are you pissing and moaning so much about this? You would have gone to the same handfull of all age parties there that I did.

It's been closed for the best part of a decade.
Noone else has put on a Back to Berlin party.
MFI is not marketing this as a back to Berlin party.

Its a party in a good venue, with some of the Dj's that used to play there, and some new faces.

The rewind parties were great. The last one at Metros was possibly one of the best local gigs I have ever been to, BUT this party is not being marketed as an oldskool revival, nor is it being marketed as any kind of return to a club that many people loved.
Do you honestly think that the 'older' Dj's would support this gig and play at it if they thought thats what it was?
Just because a room was used for a club 8+ years ago, does that mean that now it has to lie dormant for years on end until the 'right' person gets their shit together enough to put on something there?

Fucking wack way of looking at it if you ask me.

[youth101]

What you mean like Teknoscape using Swan Barracks and then MFI and Emerge using it later on. Or like PICA doing Peekaboo parties at PICA Dark Room and then Delirium, Offworld, MFI and XS using it thereafter.
Please.

[nigel]

I think you've missed my point.

It's a good room. Use it.

Much the same as all the examples you have outlined.

[Rico]

I don't get it,

I reckontwill grate!
Whats the problem, there is a kewl place to go, dance, party whatever you do...

So why not do it? Whats all lthis about the reunion night blur blahj blur... This has nothing to do with that, we're just bustin an all ages at a kewl venue nothing more.. And its going to be insane!!

CORRECT?

[fantomS]

Yep....you get a gold star!

[youth101]

Only if they have the chickun and the punani.
El Cornetto I wasn't disagreeing with you I was saying that heaps of Venues have been used before bla bla. Its the music, the chicken and the punani which counts right.

[Static]

There is a rumour surfacing that the next Rewind night will take place in the old berlin (if licensing can be obtained) with original lineup (plus rewind DJs like Packer n shiz)... happy now?

[Adam Brown]

Quote: from Elhornet on 10:12 am on June 27, 2001
I think you've missed my point.
youth101 was replying to jamie i think

[Adam Brown]

Quote: from Static on 11:03 am on June 27, 2001
There is a rumour surfacing that the next Rewind night will take place in the old berlin (if licensing can be obtained)

Quote: from Elhornet on 2:10 am on June 27, 2001
the room is now nothing more than a disused warehouse.
That means it can't be licensed.Touche.

[JAMES H]

Plea to Perths ravers - please just go and enjoy the night. Lets forget the differences (18+ vs all ages) for the moment and just reflect on what was a good club. Lets be thankful it is gonna happen and that the building wasn't demolished in the interim!

For you newcomers - go and have a great time - maybe you'll catch a glimpse of some early 90s atmos - I'm hoping Suburban Delay's 'Energy Rush' track gets a play!

I'm going - yes the legs may be older than when they first bounced me round a wharehouse - but I'm gonna have a good time!

Incidently, if the next Rewind is @ the Berlin and its 18+ I'm sure us old farts could be satisfied?

JH

[JusJamminfoldinchair]

oNlY oLdSkOoLeR's CaN rAvE @ bErLiN!

LoOk @ mE Im OlD cOnGrAtUlAtE mE oN bEiNg 10 YeArS oLdeR ThAn j00!


What a load of fucking crap, im sure if all the kids raving now were 18 back then they wouldve been there too. Fuck we cant help the year we are fucking born dammit!

To all you people who think your hot shit cause your old.
Just remeber..

YOU ARE OLD!!!
The only thing good about being old is that your sorry ass is a few years closer to dying....

geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz

[fantomS]

How old do you have to be to be old??
How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
=P

[WinnerEatMyDinner]

How many cans can a pelican can if a pelican could can cans?

[Xtreem]

dammit.... it has has been trivialised enough...
I think and hope the point has been understood by some out there.
hornet... I don't think I ever went to an all ages party at berlin as you before mentioned
(or something along those lines)
However myself and freinds of mine did go to parties like andromeda, Prodigy Experience tour, Nightmare, Splash, Twisted etc..
ofcourse I for one was not over 18 but many people were....
Everyone could talk till their blue in the face about "18+ Vs. All Ages"
but I guess it will not get anywhere.


(Edited by erratik at 1:20 pm on June 27, 2001)


(Edited by erratik at 1:22 pm on June 27, 2001)

[JAMES H]

Foldindeckchair sometimes the best things some people can bring to a discussion is silence. You are one of em. Read some other posts before replying - gives your comments some degree of credibility..

I agree partially with Erratik that it would be better 18+, but as others & I have said, hey - at least its on.

Lets be happy someone has done something - maybe other parties may use the venue now. Just go and enjoy the night, if you were there originally - remember the good times, if you weren't - look around and see the smiles on older faces - maybe you'll come to love the place too.

JH

[Xtreem]

troo troo I ear ya..
me shoosh now

[JusJamminfoldinchair]

JAMES H

personally i couldnt care less if its 18 plus or not.
It was just this attitude that it should only be for "oldskool" people who originally went there.

With that he is contradicting everything the raves scene is supposedly meant to stand for.

Its like saying the Church should only be for original Havvanna or Kremlin residents, and the Rise should be solely for the old O2's crew.

Maybe YOU should read some of the posts before saying anything to give YOUR post some credibility.

[JAMES H]

Deckchaironthetitanic - I grow weary arguing with you, but for the record I can understand why people would want this to be an over age event.

Personally I'd prefer it that way - sometimes it can give you the right royal shits having some annoying little bunnies floating around.

However if you read my post (which I doubt), I said some of us older folk should forget this fact and just concentrate on having a bit of fun at the event itself - its not like we've had a chance to go back there for yonks.

I know you may not understand why people can get a bit protective about a memory such as the Berlin - but for many its a memory that isn't corrupted by commercialism of techno in later years (look at happy hardcore for example), raves & a scene that were controlled by Thomas and probably the most standout issue is IT WAS ALL NEW THEN.

I agree with you that old or young it should be a night for the record books - but I think getting ansty over some feelings on 18+ may be counter productive - any future party there may exclude underages.

Let those who hate the idea vent and get it off their chest.

JH

[Dr4g0n]

So what do you want at Berlin Erratic one of your elite 2 step parties?


hahehheahehaeehe

[jamie]

youth 101, yes you are right, i have used a venue which was used by another promoter, but it was almost 2 years between parties, and the other promoter (teknoscape) no longer do parties so we did not have a issue with using the venue.
most of the people at blackout probably werent at Atom1, so it's not like having blackout there took anything away from atom1

just for the record Emas actually used swan barracks before teknoscape did, for a party called hi tech i believe it was.

[Xtreem]

Quote: from Dr4g0n on 5:52 pm on June 27, 2001
So what do you want at Berlin Erratic one of your elite 2 step parties?


hahehheahehaeehe

nice one Dragon ya tosser.. your are the kind of unnecissary shit I was talking about when I started this topic...
I wouldn't expect little upstarts like yourself to actually understand what the message is but Take a look at what James H just wrote
check your head or shut ya pie hole ..
Who the fuck are you anyway Dragon?!... I've never heard of you ..

(Edited by erratik at 6:46 pm on June 27, 2001)

[Dr4g0n]

hahaha shut up fish you elite two step tosser

[GoOsH]

har har
some funny shit right here

[Rico]

Rather silly..

[fantomS]

one week and one day and I'll be 18!
hoorah
can i have an extra dot as a birthday present?

[Rico]

on your 101 th post, you'll get another.

[fantomS]

Patience is a virtue that I do not posses =[

[Xtreem]

want a fuckin kick in the head dragon?
lets catch up somewhere and I'll introduce you to the sole of my shoe, UP YOUR ASS!!
actually, better not, sounds like you might enjoy the
bwahahaha

[fantomS]

Once again, valium?
hehe....my dog is on valium atm...coz he ate snail pellets....he's funny, he keeps falling over.

[JusJamminfoldinchair]

Quote: from JAMES H on 5:35 pm on June 27, 2001
Deckchaironthetitanic - I grow weary arguing with you.....ect blah blah blah...


you are missing the overall point, I DONT CARE wether or not its 18 plus and im not angry about it what so ever, have a fucking saturday morning bingo session there for all i care.
Its the Attitude that it should only be for "oldskool"people, I garuntee you most of the people over 18 now never went to berlin either.
What are you going to do? have a pop quiz on the door?

I HATE people who think they are better than others becuase they were raving ten years ago, and i think alot of people can say they hate this attitude too.

this is the second time you have assumed that i havent read your post when its obvious you dont read or understand mine, and youve used "foldingdeckchaironthetitanic" twice now, i think you need some new material, i mean it wasnt funny the first time, why would it work now?

So im going say it very clearly.

I dont care wether or not its overage and i understand why people would not want young kids there.

But its the fact that some people have to be so fucking Narky about it and get up on there high horse to proclaim to the world how #### oldschool they are.

These people need to get over them selves becuase at the end of the day they are NOBODY just some idiot who goes to raves on the weekend.

[Grover]

Believe it or not one of my finest memories of Berlin is the mosh pit druing an Hard Ons / Allegiance concert... doesn't mean it should just be used for metal gigs!

[RandomLogik]

Quote: from JusJamminfoldinchair on 11:37 am on June 28, 2001

Quote: from JAMES H on 5:35 pm on June 27, 2001
Deckchaironthetitanic - I grow weary arguing with you.....ect blah blah blah...


amen
well said
you are missing the overall point, I DONT CARE wether or not its 18 plus and im not angry about it what so ever, have a fucking saturday morning bingo session there for all i care.
Its the Attitude that it should only be for "oldskool"people, I garuntee you most of the people over 18 now never went to berlin either.
What are you going to do? have a pop quiz on the door?

I HATE people who think they are better than others becuase they were raving ten years ago, and i think alot of people can say they hate this attitude too.

this is the second time you have assumed that i havent read your post when its obvious you dont read or understand mine, and youve used "foldingdeckchaironthetitanic" twice now, i think you need some new material, i mean it wasnt funny the first time, why would it work now?

So im going say it very clearly.

I dont care wether or not its overage and i understand why people would not want young kids there.

But its the fact that some people have to be so fucking Narky about it and get up on there high horse to proclaim to the world how #### oldschool they are.

These people need to get over them selves becuase at the end of the day they are NOBODY just some idiot who goes to raves on the weekend.

[RandomLogik]

fuuccckkk ! i fuct it up again..

[RandomLogik]

Quote: from JusJamminfoldinchair on 11:37 am on June 28, 2001

Quote: from JAMES H on 5:35 pm on June 27, 2001
Deckchaironthetitanic - I grow weary arguing with you.....ect blah blah blah...


you are missing the overall point, I DONT CARE wether or not its 18 plus and im not angry about it what so ever, have a fucking saturday morning bingo session there for all i care.
Its the Attitude that it should only be for "oldskool"people, I garuntee you most of the people over 18 now never went to berlin either.
What are you going to do? have a pop quiz on the door?

I HATE people who think they are better than others becuase they were raving ten years ago, and i think alot of people can say they hate this attitude too.

this is the second time you have assumed that i havent read your post when its obvious you dont read or understand mine, and youve used "foldingdeckchaironthetitanic" twice now, i think you need some new material, i mean it wasnt funny the first time, why would it work now?

So im going say it very clearly.

I dont care wether or not its overage and i understand why people would not want young kids there.

But its the fact that some people have to be so fucking Narky about it and get up on there high horse to proclaim to the world how #### oldschool they are.

These people need to get over them selves becuase at the end of the day they are NOBODY just some idiot who goes to raves on the weekend.





Amen
well said...

[chasey lain]

um...why not just edit the other post?

[JusJamminfoldinchair]

heheh thankyou random.
Now u have to delete the first one!

[hitmonlee]

ahh, nevermind

(Edited by hitmonlee at 4:13 pm on June 28, 2001)

[Rico]

hehe...Lol @ Hml.

Um - I officially close this thread - its utter bullshit and is diverting our attention, away from more important issues. I can't believe its got 5 pages of posts ... Grr

[hitmonlee]

good point rico! hm, although me posting is just keeping it alive.

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S STILL THURSDAY. waahhhh, i wanna weekend NOW!

[JAMES H]

Foldinchair for the last friggin time - I am agreeing with you that everyone should just go and enjoy the night. At least its on.

But by the same token you're gonna have to try and see why some ppl who went there may feel like its gonna detract from the event - having kiddies there. Most people who are in their early 20s now wouldn't have gone - yes thats true, but thats perhaps why the original clubbers think having 15 yrs olds admitted is a bit loopy - I mean, their mums were wiping their bums and breastfeeding them when the club was open.

Some people may use their raving history as an assertion of how kewl they are, personally I haven't really met anyone like that - but I think most (like myself) see past years as treasured memories you wouldn't swap for anything.

Maybe its something ppl can't see till they're not a regular anymore - and a thought of a club, a particular night etc becomes what raving was to you - its a memory that you really treasure - perhaps many are afraid of corrupting the memory of in this case - the Berlin.

[Dr4g0n]

Hello Dean you are a stupid head.


dental plan

[sporkus]

senile.

[GoOsH]

Lisa needs braces.... dental plan..... Lisa needs braces....

Lenny, you broke my train of thought!

Dental plan.... Lisa needs braces

hehehhehe I love the Simpsons

[RandomLogik]

In a way i understand totally why people feel this event should be 18+ - that i respect.......
But people who think they are better and more entitled because they are oldskool - that i don't.....
we all start somewhere..people just have to accept that

Anyways thankyou MFI for putting on the event, i think despite all our differences, everyone will overall have a great night http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Xtreem]

So whaddya think Lenny?
you gonna come to the Superbowl?
L: Nyeeagh
H: come on
L: Nyeeagh
H: oh come on
L: Nyeeagh
H: Awwwe Commee onnn! http://www.teknoscape.com.au/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
L: Oaargh
H: WOOHOO! (and slams down the phone)