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[OSC]

depression is serious but not terminal, you shouldn't allow anyone to think that.

It can be treated, and worked through if given proper respect and attention.

However black and white you'd like to see it.. depression can be terminal and should be treated as serious as any other terminal illness.

It is such a difficult illness and in a lot of cases it's never cured. Sufferers can go through life zombied up to their eyeballs on medication which has serious side effects, which in turn affects every area of their life. Work, play, family, friends. They can't lead productive lives, which adds to the 'why am I here?' thoughts..

For every success story there are 10 people behind that person who will suffer for life with or without treatment, medication &/or therapy. Many times the only thing that keeps a sider here is the thought of what their family & friends would go through, which only adds to the already enormous guilt they feel for suffering the illness in the first place.

Suicide is shoved under the mat and rarely discussed unless there is murder involved. How do you address such a serious matter when it is shunned. Lack of mental health agencies, no funding and extremely limited help in this area is what most people face unless they have a tidy amount in their back pocket.

It's a disgrace.

[Wrecktechno]

mmmmm I guess now would not be the time to say I don't believe in depression as a 'clinical' disease. In my opinion, it's selfish to think that depression can't be helped. Your life is so much worse than everyone elses? Oh woe, woe is you. Try being 27 and never having kissed a girl, being trapped in your own home because you're body is so fucked you can hardly walk and you don't want people seeing how you are, you can hardly hold a glass without dropping it, your voice is so strained it's hard to understand. Try not having any friends. Fucking selfish, self involved fuckwits. Fuck I hate it.


Dying isn't pretty. It's not like you die and you lay there all neat and special and attractive like in the movies. Your poop comes out, you bloat, you look gross. It's not dignified. Why the fuck would you want that by choice? Oh right... because your life is so fucking bad.

[Multivital]

It doesn't help when tellyvision is full of 'depressed' characters going 'oh woe is me, time to end it all' in a dramatic fashion. That just reinforces attitudes like Fatnick's - that all you need to do is look at a pretty birdy, drop a pill or go for a brisk walk and you'll 'GET OVER IT'.

The hard part is convincing depression sufferers themselves that it is a disease, as opposed to a character flaw, and that it should be treated pretty much the same as any other serious disease that can have terminal results ie. that it sucks, yes, but you can do many things to help that MAY see it go away.

Providing false hope and saying "It can ALWAYS be cured" tends to rebound when there is no immediate relief in sight.

Depression in my experience is more PERCEPTUAL than anything else - people treat depressed folks like they are stupid, fucked up or scary because they don't grasp that depressed people don't see the world the same way they do. It's not that depressed people don't KNOW that the world has happy things in it, they just can't SEE why that is something for them to care about in a 'normal' fashion.

[fatnick]

It doesn't help when tellyvision is full of 'depressed' characters going 'oh woe is me, time to end it all' in a dramatic fashion. That just reinforces attitudes like Fatnick's - that all you need to do is look at a pretty birdy, drop a pill or go for a brisk walk and you'll 'GET OVER IT'.
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come on dude i didnt put it like that. All i was asking her was "isnt there anything she enjoys doing?", cos I firmly beileve its all the little things in life that add up to make it a satisfying and fruitful one. "Flow" is the term used more widely.

edit: And i never put it in a way as "GET OVER IT". I actually said she has to build up the small things until they snow ball. Well thats what I believe anyway, and it seems a lot more achievable than "GET OVER IT". Man listen to yur rhetoric "pretty birdy", u cant help y'self can u? Have a go at someone whilst such a sensitive topics being discussed.

[Halu]

How do I find out if i'm being taxed right on my second job? I am not keen on the idea that i'm being taxed too little

[heist]

mmmmm I guess now would not be the time to say I don't believe in depression as a 'clinical' disease. In my opinion, it's selfish to think that depression can't be helped. Your life is so much worse than everyone elses? Oh woe, woe is you. Try being 27 and never having kissed a girl, being trapped in your own home because you're body is so fucked you can hardly walk and you don't want people seeing how you are, you can hardly hold a glass without dropping it, your voice is so strained it's hard to understand. Try not having any friends. Fucking selfish, self involved fuckwits. Fuck I hate it.


Dying isn't pretty. It's not like you die and you lay there all neat and special and attractive like in the movies. Your poop comes out, you bloat, you look gross. It's not dignified. Why the fuck would you want that by choice? Oh right... because your life is so fucking bad.

I almost agree with this attitude.. i just don't think you can apply it to others.

this is the kind of reasoning you can use to beat your own mind into shape if it starts slipping into depression.. it's just not the sort of thing that I'd say to someone else who was feeling hopeless...

there's a huge difference between the level of criticism you can direct at yourself and that you can direct at others.

[Wrecktechno]

come on dude i didnt put it like that. All i was asking her was "isnt there anything she enjoys doing?", cos I firmly beileve its all the little things in life that add up to make it a satisfying and fruitful one. "Flow" is the term used more widely.

I think 'depression' stems, in part, from people thinking they don't have enough friends or a close enough social circle

[Vilandra]

i was clinically depressed and suicidal for a few years. The thing I found that most helped me was taking the whole emphasis of my life off myself, finding a career that revolved purely around helping others. Depression often thrives on self-involvement.
It is easy to say life has no meaning and no point, but at the same time, the only one who can create meaning and purpose in your life, is you.

There is help out there, your friends and family Im certain would want to help you also even if they arent sure how. Be good to yourself akira

[Multivital]

mmmmm I guess now would not be the time to say I don't believe in depression as a 'clinical' disease. In my opinion, it's selfish to think that depression can't be helped. Your life is so much worse than everyone elses? Oh woe, woe is you. Try being 27 and never having kissed a girl, being trapped in your own home because you're body is so fucked you can hardly walk and you don't want people seeing how you are, you can hardly hold a glass without dropping it, your voice is so strained it's hard to understand. Try not having any friends. Fucking selfish, self involved fuckwits. Fuck I hate it.


Dying isn't pretty. It's not like you die and you lay there all neat and special and attractive like in the movies. Your poop comes out, you bloat, you look gross. It's not dignified. Why the fuck would you want that by choice? Oh right... because your life is so fucking bad.

Apart from a few angsty goths who attempted but failed to kill themselves, I've not many people who are suicidal in the "OH WOE IS ME" mindset.

I have however met quite a few suicidal people whose depression takes them into a perception that there is no point to life. Not even that it is nasty or horrible - just that their brain itself does not register reasons for living as being the 'self evident truths' that the majority of society see.

Yes, there are people who are 'crying out for attention'. But most of the people I know of that have ended it, or seriously tried to, are not just being angst-ridden. Their brain just doesn't work in a way that allows them to realise why they should live - the same way a person who has lung cancer will find their lungs don't work in a way that allows them to breathe.

Our society has fucking TERRIBLE skills, professional and social, at dealing with true depression. Pill makers and psychs tell you otherwise to turn a dollar, but the reality is they are feeling their way in the dark. There are no guaranteed, or even particularly likely, cures for depression and to suggest otherwise is incorrect, and leads to a very one-eyed and judgmental attitude towards depressed people.

[Multivital]

I almost agree with this attitude.. i just don't think you can apply it to others.

this is the kind of reasoning you can use to beat your own mind into shape if it starts slipping into depression.. it's just not the sort of thing that I'd say to someone else who was feeling hopeless...

there's a huge difference between the level of criticism you can direct at yourself and that you can direct at others.

[Wrecktechno]

Apart from a few angsty goths who attempted but failed to kill themselves, I've not many people who are suicidal in the "OH WOE IS ME" mindset.

I have however met quite a few suicidal people whose depression takes them into a perception that there is no point to life. Not even that it is nasty or horrible - just that their brain itself does not register reasons for living as being the 'self evident truths' that the majority of society see.

Yes, there are people who are 'crying out for attention'. But most of the people I know of that have ended it, or seriously tried to, are not just being angst-ridden. Their brain just doesn't work in a way that allows them to realise why they should live - the same way a person who has lung cancer will find their lungs don't work in a way that allows them to breathe.

Our society has fucking TERRIBLE skills, professional and social, at dealing with true depression. Pill makers and psychs tell you otherwise to turn a dollar, but the reality is they are feeling their way in the dark. There are no guaranteed, or even particularly likely, cures for depression and to suggest otherwise is incorrect, and leads to a very one-eyed and judgmental attitude towards depressed people.

Is depression becoming more prevalent than say, 50 years ago or more publicised?

PS. At least depressed people can go to the shop to buy their own milk

[Gouom]

Is depression becoming more prevalent than say, 50 years ago or more publicised?

PS. At least depressed people can go to the shop to buy their own milk

that's not how they see it, they see it as "what's the point of leaving the house to go and get the milk"

that's the disease

it's all perception

[Wrecktechno]

that's not how they see it, they see it as "what's the point of leaving the house to go and get the milk"

that's the disease

it's all perception

then starve

[Multivital]

Is depression becoming more prevalent than say, 50 years ago or more publicised?

little from column A, considerably more from column B. problem is, there is more MONEY in it now and that has meant it is a field being exploited for cash over a real need to develop effective understandings.

it seems to me that depression is as subjective as cancer - lots of different people suffer in different ways. problem is, we lump so many of them together and fuck them up in the process. you wouldn't treat two vastly different cancers identically but since depression is ALL IN YOUR HEAD, a few pills and dealing with childhood issues should do you right

i don't think many people grasp how amazingly different depression can be from person to person - i've met quite a few people who i could say were 'suicidally depressed' but the form it took for each of them was so radically different it beggars belief.

[Gouom]

then starve

they don't care if they starve. what's the point in eating? to live? they don't want to live!

that's the point!

[Multivital]

then starve

yeah, they do. that's the whole point. seriously, i don't think you get it and just want to judge.

it's not that they WANT to be like that, it's just they physically cannot be any other way at the time. sure, you can jam drugs down them, make them look at smiling babies, tell them everyone loves them - and sometimes that can work. but if it doesn't work, it's not because they are BAD STUPID NASTY SELFISH people, only that their brain is not responding to that treatment.

[Wrecktechno]

they don't care if they starve. what's the point in eating? to live? they don't want to live!

that's the point!

so what do they expect? for us to tell them the meaning of life?

[Wrecktechno]

yeah, they do. that's the whole point. seriously, i don't think you get it and just want to judge.

it's not that they WANT to be like that, it's just they physically cannot be any other way at the time. sure, you can jam drugs down them, make them look at smiling babies, tell them everyone loves them - and sometimes that can work. but if it doesn't work, it's not because they are BAD STUPID NASTY SELFISH people, only that their brain is not responding to that treatment.

I dont believe in medicating.

[Gouom]

so what do they expect? for us to tell them the meaning of life?

i don't know how to deal with depressed people. i wish there was a magical answer.

[AngryJungMan]

imo most depression stems from a perceived lack of love and purpose, and while these things are ideally sourced from within (like miss lix already said), we is all still human and sometimes need support - myself included..

[hitmonlee]

so what do they expect? for us to tell them the meaning of life?

that would be good, but since noone has the answer, we're back at square one, where life is pointless and more hassle than its worth.

[Dogma]

How do I find out if i'm being taxed right on my second job? I am not keen on the idea that i'm being taxed too little

http://www.ato.gov.au/content/downlo...05-05-2004.pdf

plug in a weeks wages, and check the tax against the "no tax free threshold" column.

[OSC]

I dont believe in medicating.

Howcome?

[Halu]

thanks guy. interesting to see how much I will be taxed!

I called them and they checked for me, yep I ticket the tax free threshold. I also gave them my savings account details by accident, maybe that's a good thing though. Talk about a sitting of incompetence.

[Multivital]

I dont believe in medicating.

personally, I hate anti depressants as they are medications that are based on some pretty damn flimsy theories and can have incredibly bad side effects, often worsening the condition they supposedly treat.

having said that, in severe cases of depression where 'thinking happy thoughts', counselling, exercise and all other treatments are not making ground, anti depressants can sometimes mean the difference between someone dying or living. but it is all down to the individual situation - no one solution works for everyone.

problem is, every git says 'taking pills will fix it' or 'a healthy lifestyle will fix it' or 'thinking happy things will fix it' and seems to believe that what worked for them (or someone they know) will magically work for others. in my experience depression can be so varied, you can try a hundred approaches before finding one that works for you, or it could be the first one you try that sorts you out. it's all frighteningly random and different, which is why the medical profession and society try and lump it together - because most humans HATE problems that don't have a single, simple answer.

[Dogma]

thanks guy. interesting to see how much I will be taxed!

I called them and they checked for me, yep I ticket the tax free threshold. I also gave them my savings account details by accident, maybe that's a good thing though. Talk about a sitting of incompetence.

if you ticked that you want the tax free threshold on your second job, then the tax will be too low. i'm overtaxing myself 50 bucks a week at the moment, because i'm not 100% sure how much hecs i'll have to pay back. there's nothing worse than getting tax shocks.

[Halu]

yeah I have to go in and fill out some green form to have it altered, will do this afternoon. Over taxing yourself if you can afford to is a great thing!

[Wrecktechno]

Howcome?

I dont believe that it's a disease with a chemical fix. You fix the mind with a drug?????? How the hell does that work?
My best mate has 'severe clinical depression' and moves from medication to medication and higher levels and lower levels and nothing works. She's cut herself and tried to slit her wrists and all that shit. I think the only thing that is working is seeing her mates and the fact she has 2 cats and is now engaged. I think people rely too much on a quick fix and they keep swapping from one to another trying to find something that works but OMG!!! NOTHING DOES!!!! and then they start to feel happy but of course it's the medication working so they have to keep taking it. Of course, noone would expect that it's a placebo. It's like she thinks 'I have depression. I have to live with this.' instead of going 'I dont want to feel this.. I WILL recover'. It's not as simple as that (duh) but noone is going to be helped while they think there is no solution. And while they think there's no solution, they can't help themselves and if you can't help yourself who can help you?

Everyone has stated that they can't 'help' but feel the way they do. Well, in that case, if they can't help it, how do they expect to recover and if they do recover, doesn't that prove that they CAN recover?

I stand to be corrected.

[heist]

I dont believe that it's a disease with a chemical fix. You fix the mind with a drug?????? How the hell does that work?

the brain is a physical organ, it responds to medical treatment as well as psychological treatment.

[Multivital]

Everyone has stated that they can't 'help' but feel the way they do. Well, in that case, if they can't help it, how do they expect to recover and if they do recover, doesn't that prove that they CAN recover?

I stand to be corrected.

Well, in that case, if they can't help it, how do they expect to recover = In many cases, they don't. That's one of the things this thread has been talking about, the physical inability to perceive a way out.

and if they do recover, doesn't that prove that they CAN recover? = Yes, that THEY can. Doesn't mean anyone and everyone else can. I know people that have recovered from cancer, while others died. Does that mean the ones that died WEREN'T MAKING THE EFFORT?

You can sit down now

[hitmonlee]

and then they start to feel happy but of course it's the medication working so they have to keep taking it.

ok, i'm sure its not the same for anyone, but a few of my friends who have taken antidepressants don't describe it as making them "happy". all it does is bring them to a point where they aren't so depressed they can't get up in the mornings, it makes them able to function and do a few things like work, eat... basic things like that, and able to get up in the mornings and try to deal with it. you can't start to fix the problem if you can't even get out of bed in the morning.

[THA LOC II]

ok, i'm sure its not the same for anyone, but a few of my friends who have taken antidepressants don't describe it as making them "happy". all it does is bring them to a point where they aren't so depressed they can't get up in the mornings, it makes them able to function and do a few things like work, eat... basic things like that, and able to get up in the mornings and try to deal with it. you can't start to fix the problem if you can't even get out of bed in the morning.

yep... mum was on anti-d's after the accident... she said they made her plateu into the middle.... not happy, not sad, just "there"....

my views on anti-d's are you take them to get over the initial hump/impact, then come off them and learn to deal with the issue on your own accord, with help (sans meds).

Mum agreed with me on this and has been off the pills for 2 months now. She has her ups and downs but we work through them. She gets an A++ for effort in my book and is my hero... such a trooper.

[heist]

yep... mum was on anti-d's after the accident... she said they made her plateu into the middle.... not happy, not sad, just "there"....

my views on anti-d's are you take them to get over the initial hump/impact, then come off them and learn to deal with the issue on your own accord, with help (sans meds).

Mum agreed with me on this and has been off the pills for 2 months now. She has her ups and downs but we work through them. She gets an A++ for effort in my book and is my hero... such a trooper.

yep that fits with what i've seen too.. anti-ds as a tool in your kit - a bit of an autopilot before you're able to take control back.

seems we've got off-track though.. akira doesn't strike me as one of the traumatically depressed.. just another one of those who're feeling futile. this is a greater problem i think, more sinister.. it's not like the burn that comes with depression, it's just this dangerous silence.

i really don't know how to deal with it.. how do you treat someone for futility?

[Multivital]

i really don't know how to deal with it.. how do you treat someone for futility?

you work that out, you will be a millionaire who saves millions of lives.

[hitmonlee]

seems we've got off-track though.. akira doesn't strike me as one of the traumatically depressed.. just another one of those who're feeling futile. this is a greater problem i think, more sinister.. it's not like the burn that comes with depression, it's just this dangerous silence.

i really don't know how to deal with it.. how do you treat someone for futility?

that's the impression i got too, and one i totally understand, so can't really offer anything other than, "i understand where you're coming from". people tell me to get a hobby and keep myself occupied so i don't think about it. *shrug* maybe it works for some people, can't hurt to try it i guess.

[Halu]

she said they made her plateu into the middle.... not happy, not sad, just "there"....

pretty much. sometimes it's for the best though.
could be some of the reason why some people drink on them when they shouldn't?

[SAMSTYLE]

hmm, ive had someone before have problems with some pics not showing, turns out they had zonealarm which blocks any dynamic images.. they uninstalled zonealarm and all was sweet

otherwise, as u describe, alot of sites will block the image being shown if the referring page doesnt match their domain (but if there is no referring url it will show.. ie it might not show in the forum, but once you type it in the address bar it works).. or another possibility is their apache (or iis) setup will only handle so many connections at any time which may result in some files not being loaded if the server hosting the image is busy

OK you are talking to a computer illiterate idiot here so I am not to be understanding wtf you're talking about. In short, I only access TS from work and I haven't had problems with images except on this site. I have no idea what kind of set up they are using but if there is something I can do to view pics , pls let me know Thanx

[Ed Hoover]

Dear TS,

Hey do any of my mates own a sewing machine?
I need to stich up a bag that has come apart. actually 2 bags.


ps. zoloft makes you go numb! no highs or lows!

[Vilandra]

that would be good, but since noone has the answer, we're back at square one, where life is pointless and more hassle than its worth.

It is easy to say life has no meaning and no point, but at the same time, the only one who can create meaning and purpose in your life, is you.

I dont believe that it's a disease with a chemical fix. You fix the mind with a drug?????? How the hell does that work?

like heist said, the brain is a physical organ. your "mind" is controlled by electrical impulses, hormones, enzymes, etc etc which can be affected by medications

[musika]

Dear TS,

Hey do any of my mates own a sewing machine?
I need to stich up a bag that has come apart. actually 2 bags.


ps. zoloft makes you go numb! no highs or lows!

i own two.

they are both in boxes.

sorry!

City Wide Alterations will probably do it for ya

[Barfly]

Does anyone have vlc player?
i'm trying to add english subtitles that are in their own file, to a movie that
already has subtitles, just not in english. apparently i'm supposed to right
click vlc when it's playing the movie and then add the english subs to where
the other subs are. huh? i don't get it at all. does anyone know?

[THA LOC II]

Does anyone have vlc player?
i'm trying to add english subtitles that are in their own file, to a movie that
already has subtitles, just not in english. apparently i'm supposed to right
click vlc when it's playing the movie and then add the english subs to where
the other subs are. huh? i don't get it at all. does anyone know?

here ya go
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

enjoy

[musika]

pest control that isnt even fucking needed.

we paid a $100 pet bond, which we'll get back. but we need to pay for flea fumigation. not that sunny has one single flea. thats about $165-$200. the logic behind that is ridiculous.

my question is, can anyone recommend a cheap pest control company? ive called 6 from the yellow pages, they're all around the $200 mark. thats mental.

[THA LOC II]

pest control that isnt even fucking needed.

we paid a $100 pet bond, which we'll get back. but we need to pay for flea fumigation. not that sunny has one single flea. thats about $165-$200. the logic behind that is ridiculous.

my question is, can anyone recommend a cheap pest control company? ive called 6 from the yellow pages, they're all around the $200 mark. thats mental.

[Slurm]

pest control that isnt even fucking needed.

we paid a $100 pet bond, which we'll get back. but we need to pay for flea fumigation. not that sunny has one single flea. thats about $165-$200. the logic behind that is ridiculous.

my question is, can anyone recommend a cheap pest control company? ive called 6 from the yellow pages, they're all around the $200 mark. thats mental.

Is it in your tenancy agreement to pay for fumigation/pest control?
If not, get them to psy for their own damned maintenance.

[crave]

hi gais!

does anyone have any of these house tracks?

this i swear (frankie knuckles mix)
sunshine - gabrielle
say that you love me - johnson

if anyone does please can i... kthanx...

[musika]

Is it in your tenancy agreement to pay for fumigation/pest control?
If not, get them to psy for their own damned maintenance.

unfortunately, it is. but im questioning them about it anyway, because its a joke.

"ok, here's your $100 back for NOT damaging the property, and now if you could go spend that AND another $100 on repairing the property"

flamin idiots.

[heist]

what's the polite way to broach the subject of midget tossing to a midget?

[THA LOC II]

what's the polite way to broach the subject of midget tossing to a midget?

"so.... care for a toss?"


"so... how do you like your salad?"

[Barfly]

here ya go
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

enjoy

thanks for going to the trouble to copy and paste but i've already been there
and can't find the answer anywhere.
i even joined their forum to get the answer, just haven't got a reply yet.