Proper Final Scratch thread

**Marcel** · 21-05-2002, 09:48 PM

I think this has proberly been covered(I havn't checked this site for a while) but have you seen it in action...

Went to The End in London on the weekend to see Oliver Ho play live(dissapointing I must say) and saw Jim Masters using this new beast of a toy..

Right now its being beta tested by the big name dj's but apparently will be available in a few months time for a rather large sum of money. In the long term though it will save you shit-loads on all those records you have to order in and you'll be able to scratch up your own tunes and samples and loops..

I'm Excited!!

Marcel.
www.mp3.com/dj_marcel

**PKING** · 22-05-2002, 07:50 AM

Hi Marcel- have heard The End is slammin' though havent had the chance to go yet, only Bagleys & Fabric.

The Final Scratch is currently out, it retails for £499 (roughly $1385) and can be purchased from HERE

Further info visit FINAL SCRATCH for everythang the aspiring DJ could wish for!

N.B. if your an up and coming producer that is in it for the cash, think again, this little baby surely will send vinyl sales plummeting if it catches on, as no-one will bother going to a shop to purchase tunes when you can download as many as you want, as FRESH as you want, for FREE!

Adam Brown · 22-05-2002, 09:52 AM

You have no idea how unbelievably bad I want one of those.

**Ruxton** · 22-05-2002, 10:56 AM

Craze was using it when he played here @ metros.

It seemed to work pretty fucking well..

I WANT!

**nigel** · 22-05-2002, 12:20 PM

500 pounds + laptop.
I beleive it has to run linux too?

**pÃ´m** · 22-05-2002, 01:11 PM

yes linux

**Ruxton** · 22-05-2002, 01:40 PM

dual boot windows and beOS is what it runs

**Marcel** · 22-05-2002, 03:45 PM

I checked out the Hard to Find Records page where u can purchase Final Scratch.... I'll definitely be purchasing it sometime soon.

I think I'll give them a call as there's not much info about what is included in the package.

Yeah, The End has a pumping Sound System. It was a little weird having a nearly complete body search(I was waiting for them to say bend over

) before entering the club and also having a couple of chewies confiscated from my pocket.

Marcel.
www.mp3.com/dj_marcel

**Marcel** · 22-05-2002, 04:35 PM

ahh ok... just read this on the stanton page..

"The full package includes, the software disc, two encoded records, and the FSIO (an In/Out Box that eliminates the need for two soundcards). You get two high-quality slipmats, the appropriate USB and RCA cables."

Sweeeeet

Marcel
www.mp3.com/dj_marcel

**inter-phazer** · 22-05-2002, 08:15 PM

what happens if the computor crashes in the middle of a mix?

**Marcel** · 22-05-2002, 08:19 PM

U just have a couple of backup records just in case while your computer reboots..

no probs....

The song would proberly stop mid-tune though... which would kinda stuff up your set a bit..... but after seeing Richie Hawtin and Jim masters using it for 4 hours each it seemed pretty stable because it runs off linyx as well as windows or something like that.

Marcel
www.mp3.com/dj_marcel

**kranky al** · 23-05-2002, 12:06 AM

i dont get one thing right- ive heard peeps burning cd's of mp3 tunes theyve got off the net then playing them out and the sound has been shithouse - you are talking about reducing a 30-60 meg file to 5-10megs so there is serious loss of sound- if you could use a wav five or sdII file or something thats one thing - i guess you wouldnt notice it as much if the whole set was on the thing but what about mixing in and out of vinyl??

any answers or thoughts on this?

**ZaNDa** · 23-05-2002, 12:52 AM

Yeah Al, I know what you mean. I think it was @ storm(?) there was a guy who was playing mp3s off his laptop. Sounded BAD and from memory the thing crashed...................... :lookaroun

I think you can use WAV files or coded media. I shudder to imagine the size of the hard disk you would need to run an entire set's worth of WAVs though.

Maybe a lower compression than 192kbps would be the answer - like 320?

**kranky al** · 23-05-2002, 01:09 AM

hmmph it would be a brave man used a pc for that - i dont care about the file size as id only want it to play my own stuff and the odd unreleased tune here and there

**PKING** · 23-05-2002, 08:10 AM

the way i read the article, and correct me if I'm wrong, it has two "encrypted" 12"s that dont actually contain any sound on them, they receive the sound from the Final Scratch which delivers it through the connecting box to the phonos.

i.e. PC-Final Scratch-Mixer AND Turntables.

The sound is directed from the saved file on the Hardrive to the Final Scratch to the encrypted record/s, then through the mixer & out the master output 1 or 2.

the reason they bothered to give you the encrypted records is cos they want to retain the traditional feel & its cool to scratch your own samples up etc.

So two vinyl records only, and all the sounds from the PC and MP3,WAV etc files. Sound may be an issue now, though for £499 I'd be fucking sure as fuck that the sound was on par with vinyl else I wouldnt be parting with my wedge- no hope.

If my interpretation is correct, maybe a DJ in 5 years will take only 4 items with him whilst playing out in future- the Final Scratch, The Two encrypted and a PC- hang on they would all be provided- just take your laptop!

Fuck this is gutting for vinyl enthuasists and loyalists, yes the Final Scratch will save you a fortune in the long run, but how boring will it be to never leave the house to "purchase" new tunes? I love coming home with a fat stack of records, nothing beats the buzz! This is a disadvantage of technology in my opinion.

**kranky al** · 23-05-2002, 09:45 AM

thanks for the quick lesson in whats already been discussed there dude- the reason we were talking about vinyl and final scratch was from a sound quality perspective- ie mp3 and how they would sound going from mp3 to vinyl- imho - utterly shit

as for record shopping - you can have it - i fucking hate it - i love the nu tunes but the act of buying records and listening to 50 piles of dung for the one gold nugget does nothing for me any more

**Ruxton** · 23-05-2002, 09:51 AM

Not sure if it was explained real well but here goes..

Each recorded is time coded, so basically it constantly sends encrypted time codes back to the computer. The computer interprets the codes and send the correct sounds back down the USB port.

Like this..

**PKING** · 23-05-2002, 10:19 AM

AS ABOVE. UH HUH UH HUH.

**Church Decorator** · 23-05-2002, 03:51 PM

yes and you have to use standon turntables of course

and it's great to combine with an mc 507 because it has a turntable emulation part... what a great piece of gear ey .. you don't have to do anything, just load a preset song and play that.. my favourite is the GABBA and HAPPY HARDCORE preset songs.. really fantastic stuff... and why not work the crowd with the advanced feature "The Low Pass Filter".... imagine............

The future of DJing is upon us

**Marcel** · 23-05-2002, 04:15 PM

I've heard there's this amazing new effect called a "flange" and what some would call a "phase" effect...... imagine what this would do to a group of "up-for-it ravers".

Marcel
www.mp3.com/dj_marcel

**Birt** · 23-05-2002, 05:26 PM

After going to Craze on the weekend, where he was using the Final Scratch I have to say that I couldnt tell the difference when he was using the final scratch and when he wasn't on the Metro's sound system.

I would also assume that no one would want to be running mp3's to use them as the sound quality just isnt their. But then again you can fit so many more tracks on a cd.

But with the increasing size of hard disks, especially for laptops. 100 gig hard disks are not a problem just pricey.

The question I wanted to know was about playing tracks at different speeds how does that work???

Also when you use it how can you tell at what point the track actually starts? Is this to do with the timecoding on the vinyl???

The special rekids they give you apparently are able to be used to you damage one side then flip it over. Easy, not a worry.

As for your computer crashing its running on a linux system so in theory that shouldnt have a problem, although with it running on a line out rather than phono there is always a chance that you keep it on phono and swith to line the crowd calls for a rewind and.....silence....then flick the switch and its good to go, as I think that was what happened at Craze, but I aint too sure.

Anyway as soon as they come into Perth I want to have a go with one, should be an interesting thing.

Word

**Church Decorator** · 23-05-2002, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Marcel
I've heard there's this amazing new effect called a "flange" and what some would call a "phase" effect...... imagine what this would do to a group of "up-for-it ravers".

Marcel
www.mp3.com/dj_marcel

ah perth, home of the pioneer flashing effects button.

i think they should fucking ban that button

**Ruxton** · 23-05-2002, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Birt
After going to Craze on the weekend, where he was using the Final Scratch I have to say that I couldnt tell the difference when he was using the final scratch and when he wasn't on the Metro's sound system.

I would also assume that no one would want to be running mp3's to use them as the sound quality just isnt their. But then again you can fit so many more tracks on a cd.

But with the increasing size of hard disks, especially for laptops. 100 gig hard disks are not a problem just pricey.

The question I wanted to know was about playing tracks at different speeds how does that work???

Also when you use it how can you tell at what point the track actually starts? Is this to do with the timecoding on the vinyl???

The special rekids they give you apparently are able to be used to you damage one side then flip it over. Easy, not a worry.

As for your computer crashing its running on a linux system so in theory that shouldnt have a problem, although with it running on a line out rather than phono there is always a chance that you keep it on phono and swith to line the crowd calls for a rewind and.....silence....then flick the switch and its good to go, as I think that was what happened at Craze, but I aint too sure.

Anyway as soon as they come into Perth I want to have a go with one, should be an interesting thing.

Word

Imagine it like the vinyl has a whole heap of data on it, the higher the pitch/speed of the data the higher the pitch/speed of the tune.

You speed it up and down with standard turntable pitch control..

**PKING** · 24-05-2002, 04:45 AM

read the fucking link you lazy fucks.

its PRECISELY the same as mixing as you do now, though instead of the sound being read by grooves in the record, it is sent to the record live from your PC.

it just means you wont have to carry any records to a gig & you will have access to any tune on the market.

there goes the "Im a DJ receiving promos that are hot shit" status in about 2 years.

**FridgeBuzz** · 26-05-2002, 04:06 AM

ooops my computer crashed fuxor

Only wav files will cut it on a proper system

mp3's are just too compresed,

and with the cost of a g4 titanium mac, all the software, and all the space for wav files you might as well buy some friggin records

**JoeCool** · 26-05-2002, 01:15 PM

Final Scratch://International Distributors

COUNTRY: Australia

NAME: Jands

ADDRESS:

Locked Bag 15
Mascot NSW 1460, Australia
TEL: 612 9582 0909
FAX: 612 9582 0999

the australian distributor if anyone is interested

**Lanithium** · 27-05-2002, 02:41 PM

think i'll stick to vinyl..

also.. what about copyright laws n shit like that...
there would be a fuckload of dj's using illegally owned tunes.. plus tunes which havent even been released by the producer yet..

i think its a fukt idea.

**Marcel** · 27-05-2002, 03:30 PM

Listening to some pumping tracks from Richie Hawtin and Jim Masters using the Final Scratch system, it was hard to distinguish between him playing records and mp3's even though the compression technique means the quality of the production is reduced.

Tunes made for vinyl release are mixed down for club use(more bass for bigger beats!) whereas homelistening CD's are easier on the ears...usually, So if u were ripping tracks of your cd's you may have to test and play around with the eq of the tracks for playing on a PA system.

I have not had the chance to test the differences yet so I'm no expert... more research need me thinks....

As for producers playing tunes that have not been released yet... this would actually be a positive thing as people that could not afford the expensive vinyl production process will be able to test their tracks out in a club to see if the tune does its job.

With the issue of illegal mp3 use, this will definitely have consequences on records companys and stores as the sale of vinyl will decrease but there will proberly be a large explosion in the number of online mp3 stores on the net.

Don't get me wrong...I love vinyl and the feeling u get purchasing that stomping tune, but would also love to play my own samples, loops and tunes to a willing audience.

Marcel.
www.mp3.com/dj_marcel

**kranky al** · 27-05-2002, 03:45 PM

read the label on one of your records trans- you arnt allowed to play them out either

**PKING** · 28-05-2002, 06:02 PM

was about to say....

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