Smokers and Dance floors!!!

**jayney bear** · 14-08-2002, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Zeb

The only people who are going to get burnt here are those that try to argue with me

Zeb! You are so much more feisty than I realised

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 02:00 PM

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**invader** · 14-08-2002, 02:04 PM

No, drinking isn't anti-social. It doesn't affect the people around you if you're sensible about how much you drink. But it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to ban alcohol too. How many people die in car accidents etc because someone did abuse it? I don't drink myself, because I don't see any point to it. Beer, wine and spirits taste like crud, and all the Sub-Zero type drinks are just alcoholic versions of coka and fanta etc. You might as well just have a straight glass of coke and not have to worry about getting drunk, or booze buses, or anything like that.

Before anyone gets on their soapbox, I do realise that banning alcohol is impossible.

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by invader
No, drinking isn't anti-social. It doesn't affect the people around you if you're sensible about how much you drink. But it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to ban alcohol too.

Not only that; but so long as you drink responsibly alcohol does no damage to yourself either; hence its legality. Every motherfucking cigarette however is doing you (and others) damage.

**Holden Caulfield** · 14-08-2002, 02:09 PM

No zeb, the real reason for alcohols legality has been repeated here many times- its a nice taxable drug.

edit: alcamohol?

**Player One** · 14-08-2002, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Zeb

Here's the difference: Something approaching 100% of smokers who smoke in enclosed public spaces are doing damage to non-smokers. I think you'll find that a vastly smaller proportion of those who drink are either a) doing damage to non-drinkers through their drinking (especially as beer washes out much more easily than a hole in your clothes) or b) drinking so much that they encroach on the general public in a major way or c) drink and then drive hence endangering others.

dude, i am with you 100% on the cancer-stick thing, and you have turned me around on the alcohol thing too. if you can have a good time without alcohol, then you dont have to drink, but you're passively smoking with no choice.

non-smokers dont have much of a choice in contained areas with little ventilation than to inhale the noxious fumes from smokers. this sucks (no pun intended

on the other hand, to prevent them (smokers) from smoking at a club or something means having to provide smoking areas and non-smoking areas, which i reckon would be hard for bouncers to police. ideas?

i remember that they tried to do this at The Loft yonks ago but wasn't really enforced.

**RandomLogik** · 14-08-2002, 02:10 PM

alcohol and tobacco are the biggest killers of all

*sips beer and takes a drag of ciggie*

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Player One
non-smokers dont have much of a choice in contained areas with little ventilation than to inhale the noxious fumes from smokers. this sucks (no pun intended

on the other hand, to prevent them (smokers) from smoking at a club or something means having to provide smoking areas and non-smoking areas, which i reckon would be hard for bouncers to police. ideas?

I think you should be able to infer my idea's from my earlier posts.
1) Smokers can be considerate and smoke outside. (I don't give a fuck if it's cold; and I don't have to because as above, you're infringing my rights to breathe) edit: and even that's bad, because non-smokers go outside to get fresh air (not that they would need to anywhere near as much if there was no smoking at all), but at least there's more air to share outside. Of course I'd prefer points 2 and 3 to be implemented.
2) Smokers can quit because smoking is terrible for them, too.
3) Smoking can be stamped out almost completely in the developed world because it's a terrible, terrible habit. This is taking time.

**becca j** · 14-08-2002, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Zeb
Not only that; but so long as you drink responsibly alcohol does no damage to yourself either; hence it's legality. Every motherfucking cigarette however is doing you (and others) damage.

wow zeb, you seem to have discovered the vast descriptive capacity of the word 'motherfucking.'

meh, i don't think it's worth arguing about. think what you want to think. the issue was, i do believe, getting burnt on dancefloors, which zeb has managed to escalate it into a universal anti-smoking issue.
if you have an issue with it, as i said before, pull the person up there and then and ask them to move away or put their cig out. there is nothing else you can do, besides maybe lobbying or petitioning to club owners / racing, gaming and liquor. so shut the fuck up.

**bojangles** · 14-08-2002, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Zeb
3) Smoking can be stamped out almost completely in the developed world because it's a terrible, terrible habit. This is taking time.

point noted
*jots down on notepad*:
give all cigarettes to third world nations.
k, got it.

**Holden Caulfield** · 14-08-2002, 02:20 PM

*SHMAAACK!*

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 02:21 PM

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**musika** · 14-08-2002, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by erratik
anyone arked up a splif in a club before?

are you serious?

OSC?
have we EVER done this?

EVER?

MAYBE?

nooooooooo

**ABCD2** · 14-08-2002, 02:26 PM

any argument zebs involved in is some great reading *nods*

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by becca j

wow zeb, you seem to have discovered the vast descriptive capacity of the word 'motherfucking.'

Well bec, you seem to have discovered the issue-dodging tactic of attacking one word in somebody's argument rather than constructing a counter-argument.

meh, i don't think it's worth arguing about. think what you want to think. the issue was, i do believe, getting burnt on dancefloors, which zeb has managed to escalate it into a universal anti-smoking issue.
if you have an issue with it, as i said before, pull the person up there and then and ask them to move away or put their cig out. there is nothing else you can do, besides maybe lobbying or petitioning to club owners / racing, gaming and liquor. so shut the fuck up.

I think getting burnt on dancefloors is a much more minor issue than passive smoking; despite the fact that it may seem to many people to be more immediate. There are no smoking policies in place and they are gaining strength. There are no smoking signs in drum club for fucks sake. Slowly smoking is becoming less acceptable; but for now it is very difficult for me to go around telling every smoker at a given club to put it out or get out.

**Holden Caulfield** · 14-08-2002, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Zeb

No: It is a nice taxable drug because it is legal. The reverse is not true. You could tax illicit drugs too, they are illegal (mostly) because there is evidence to suggest that their use can do damage. Cigarettes do damage but aren't half as fun as illicit drugs and are hence disappearing albeit slowly.

contradiction

how can you tax something that is illegal? what I dont gettit

**ABCD2** · 14-08-2002, 02:28 PM

the kid has no point.. its part of his charm...

bit like a blunt pencil :P
their kinda fun for a while to draw fatter lines, but they get boring fast.

(i dunno, my pencil just broke, and its blunt)

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by lilbeefer

Contradiction alert
wtf

Allow me to explain:

You can tax cigarettes because they are legal.

They are legal because they have been around a long time (and before many public health ideas were instituted) and have hence become ingrained in our society. They are not legal 'because they are taxable'. That is illogical.

You can tax alcohol because it is legal.

It is legal because it has been proven to be safe if used responsibly.

Illicit drugs are illegal and hence non-taxable because most of them hardly entered the mainstream before public health efforts and resultant pressures on governments led to them being made illegal.

Originally posted by lilbeefer

how can you tax something that is illegal? what I dont gettit

I said "could tax illicit drugs" could is the conditional tense. You could tax them conditional upon them becoming legal. They are illegal for the above-noted reasons.

hitmonlee · 14-08-2002, 02:34 PM

i would like to add that i have thrown up from breathing in other people's smoke.

do you think this is fair?

minding my own business in a club, someone stands next to me, starts smoking, and i have to leave and throw up. i walk away, but no matter where i stand, someone will stand next to me and smoke.

i am all for no-smoking in clubs. especially when it is so hard to get all the way outside when it is crowded.

**Holden Caulfield** · 14-08-2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Zeb

You could tax illicit drugs too, they are illegal (mostly) because there is evidence to suggest that their use can do damage. Cigarettes do damage but aren't half as fun as illicit drugs and are hence disappearing albeit slowly.

huh?

It has remained legal because it provides a large income in the form of tax to the government. They are aware of how damaging it is. This argument is cliched, I quit.

**crave** · 14-08-2002, 02:36 PM

cigarettes should have a 60% tax-levy!!!

so the rest of us who don't smoke don't have to keep having tax money used to treat those with infected lungs due to smoking!! it could be better spent patrolling the art centre to deter evil evil people... so i can get to the court in relative safety... hehehe

umm... becos i know so much abou stamp duty now... drug couriers (s.p. i can't spell... maybe...) anywayz to get to australia there's stamp duty... so i guess there is a tax...

there's tax on tax on smokes

huhuhu

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 02:38 PM

,,,

**crave** · 14-08-2002, 02:42 PM

no no no...

yer all missing the point...

we have the gst now!!! don't ya'll remember cash economies won't be able to dodge the tax... somewhere along the lines of transaction there are taxes to pay...

OMFG!!! tax tax tax!!! hehehehe help meeeeeeeee!!!!

**starkIRst** · 14-08-2002, 03:31 PM

i got a cigg burn from a radom guy at the works and he didnt really give a damm about it

BUT! then someone burnt me really bad at insite and that guy was hella nice, he went and got me some water to put on it, and we had heaps of fun

not everyone is bad..

**invader** · 14-08-2002, 03:51 PM

But is that something you want to go through every time just to make a new friend?

Why, WHY do people want and choose to smoke? Or drink so much that they can't stand up? You can't really have any dignity about yourself if you do that to your body (and to others)

**starkIRst** · 14-08-2002, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by invader
But is that something you want to go through every time just to make a new friend?

of course not!
i was just trying to make a point that not everyone who smokes is irresponsible

everyone understands ur viewpoint, but u cant influence peoples choices, they have a right to do whatever they want

**invader** · 14-08-2002, 04:05 PM

Of course you can influence people's choices. What do you think the point of advertising is for example? And yes, I suppose you have a right to do whatever you want. But do you consider yourself a responsible smoker when your right to do whatever you want invades my right to not have to breathe your crap? Because I do have a right to have a healthy set of lungs, don't I? Does you agree with that?

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by starkIRst
everyone understands ur viewpoint, but u cant influence peoples choices, they have a right to do whatever they want

You can't make peoples choices for them but you most certainly can influence them.

They have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe other peoples rights. Smoking does just that when non-smokers are around. I have the right to juggle knives; but I wouldn't do it in close proximity to other people.

**starkIRst** · 14-08-2002, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Zeb

You can't make peoples choices for them but you most certainly can influence them.

They have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe other peoples rights. Smoking does just that when non-smokers are around. I have the right to juggle knives; but I wouldn't do it in close proximity to other people.

have u all had ur "lets be a man bitch pill" today?
*hides under a rock from the older people*

i do addmitt that what i sad about innfluencing opinions was wrong though

**misc.** · 14-08-2002, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by hitmonlee
i would like to add that i have thrown up from breathing in other people's smoke.

do you think this is fair?

i don't give a shit what my smoking's doing to others really to tell you the truth

other than baby's...

however i do feel it highly rude and discourteous to smoke around a bunch of non-smokers and not ask before lighting up a smoke etc. in that case i will smoke away from them, just out of politeness..i'm a very polite person

hitmonlee · 14-08-2002, 04:18 PM

next time instead of running to the toilet, i'll just throw up on the smoker who caused me to throw up

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by hitmonlee
next time instead of running to the toilet, i'll just throw up on the smoker who caused me to throw up

I nearly threw up during (and due to) a mario piu set. Can I throw up on house fans for causing such music to be popular?

**invader** · 14-08-2002, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by nuffsaid
i don't give a shit what my smoking's doing to others really to tell you the truth

other than baby's...

I realise what followed in your post, and I consider what you said to be the very least a smoker should do, but unfortunately, this is the attitude of too many people. It's just a pity that bogans, slobs, retards and losers in general make up the majority of the population.

hitmonlee · 14-08-2002, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Zeb
I nearly threw up during (and due to) a mario piu set. Can I throw up on house fans for causing such music to be popular?

yes, yes you can.

**misc.** · 14-08-2002, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Zeb

I nearly threw up during (and due to) a mario piu set. Can I throw up on house fans for causing such music to be popular?

except mario piu doesn't play house...

but that's another matter.

**pÃ´m** · 14-08-2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by crave
cigarettes should have a 60% tax-levy!!!

it's at about that level now, if not more since the latest increase.

**pÃ´m** · 14-08-2002, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by hitmonlee
next time instead of running to the toilet, i'll just throw up on the smoker who caused me to throw up

i would.. its within your 'right' to throwup in public, so why not?

**musika** · 14-08-2002, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Zeb

I nearly threw up during (and due to) a mario piu set. Can I throw up on house fans for causing such music to be popular?

garth:
"if you're gonna spew...spew into this"

**ABCD2** · 14-08-2002, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by nuffsaid

except mario piu doesn't play house...

but that's another matter.

hahahaahahaha
classic.

**Dogma** · 14-08-2002, 05:37 PM

There were some figures released a while ago over here, and they're probably very similar in Aus.

If everybody gave up smoking overnight, then the NHS (National Health Service) would collapse.

The price increases of cigarettes are actually done in small amounts so that nobody actually gives up.

So, next time you use Medicare, just think of me, and my winnie blues.

hahahahahaha

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by YiPPii
There were some figures released a while ago over here, and they're probably very similar in Aus.

If everybody gave up smoking overnight, then the NHS (National Health Service) would collapse.

The price increases of cigarettes are actually done in small amounts so that nobody actually gives up.

So, next time you use Medicare, just think of me, and my winnie blues.

hahahahahaha

And I saw some figures released that if everyone quit smoking, cancer mortality would be decreased by something massive like 15 or 20%. That's a fuckload of cancer.

**Dogma** · 14-08-2002, 05:58 PM

yeah but smokings fun

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by YiPPii
yeah but smokings fun

chemotherapy's not.

**Holden Caulfield** · 14-08-2002, 07:50 PM

death happens

edit:in response to zeb

**Dogma** · 14-08-2002, 07:52 PM

god not health nazis.

edit : directed at zeb

**Holden Caulfield** · 14-08-2002, 08:05 PM

im pretty far away from being a health nazi

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by YiPPii
god not health nazis.

edit : directed at zeb

I'm far from a health nazi. I just think smoking is retarded.

**OSC** · 14-08-2002, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by lexi

are you serious?

OSC?
have we EVER done this?

EVER?

MAYBE?

nooooooooo

hahaaaaa! bring on the spliff queen... DiSkO rO!

**OSC** · 14-08-2002, 10:43 PM

just out of curiosity Zeb.. do you ever partake in illegal substances?

**Zeb** · 14-08-2002, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by OSC
just out of curiosity Zeb.. do you ever partake in illegal substances?

Yep; and there's very little evidence to suggest that they are addictive or that they will kill me in various ugly ways or that they will do me any serious damage if used responsibly with the proper precautions. I think you can see what I'm getting at.
Plus they are much more fun than smoking tobacco.

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