SAE course

[DUSTCHILD]

Hi guys, im a DJ and now i wanna be a producer/beat maker. I've made some amature hip hop beats, but i'm also working on making trance/tech/electro too, all with the use of FL. I'm thinking of doing a course at SAE but im not sure if it is worth the time and money to do so.

I dont mean to offend anyone but you do not need to go to a course to learn how to DJ properly.

So im wondering can i learn everything to become a professional producer/beat maker by myself? Or should i really take up a SAE course?

Has anyone on here ever done a SAE music course? Anyone on here produces themself without doing any courses?

Please be nice and respond properly and thanks for your time.

[katatonic]

Save the 10 k and do a sound tech tafe course (if you feel like learning to drive a nice big console), get a computer, audio equipment.etc.

Heard many the mixed reviews of SAE, personally wouldnt bother.

hoped that helped

[Palko]

I have never done the SAE course but whenever industry foke mention it, its always incorporated in a joke - like is a waste of time and or the people that come out of the course are a joke.
So yeah I don't know.

[linelevel]

Hi guys, im a DJ and now i wanna be a producer/beat maker. I've made some amature hip hop beats, but i'm also working on making trance/tech/electro too, all with the use of FL. I'm thinking of doing a course at SAE but im not sure if it is worth the time and money to do so.

I dont mean to offend anyone but you do not need to go to a course to learn how to DJ properly.

So im wondering can i learn everything to become a professional producer/beat maker by myself? Or should i really take up a SAE course?

Has anyone on here ever done a SAE music course? Anyone on here produces themself without doing any courses?

Please be nice and respond properly and thanks for your time.

I finished the audio engineering diploma at SAE a couple of years back and have work as an audio engineer since then. Dunno too much about the electronic music producer course other than its about $2500 and runs on saturdays, I could be wrong though. Why don't you call SAE and ask them to send you the information booklet, then go down and check out their facilities for yourself and make the decision. You won't get any decent help off people on forums who "have heard from other people, blah blah blah". Generally those who whinge about SAE are either course dropouts, stoners, had unrealistic expectations (ie - sae will turn you into a superstar over night) etc etc.

I recently went to europe and asked a few people on my travels what they thought of SAE, including the guy who runs Windmill Lane studios in Dublin where U2 recorded most of their albums. He certainly didn't have anything bad to say about the place and I'd be inclined to listen to him before taking the opinion of someone who heard from a friend of a friend that sae is no good because it's expensive.

I have a mate who does the tafe equivalent of the audio engineering diploma and he says the course is slack as fuck and the lecturer rarely shows up. Personally I'd rather pay extra for proper tuition, but hey thats just me. Bottom line is, you get out what you put in.If you rock up to the course and ask as many questions as you can and ustilise your time properly you will do well and learn heaps, if you smoke buckets before class and sit at the back taking the piss you will come out with fuckall and then go around slagging the place cos you failed.

In answer to your question though you can teach yourself how to make beats yes.
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[katatonic]

I have a mate who does the tafe equivalent of the audio engineering diploma and he says the course is slack as fuck and the lecturer rarely shows up. Personally I'd rather pay extra for proper tuition, but hey thats just me. Bottom line is, you get out what you put in.If you rock up to the course and ask as many questions as you can and ustilise your time properly you will do well and learn heaps, if you smoke buckets before class and sit at the back taking the piss you will come out with fuckall and then go around slagging the place cos you failed.

In answer to your question though you can teach yourself how to make beats yes.
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Gpower i agree wholeheartedly with what your saying, yet i'm currently studying sound tech at tafe and while its a awesome and relaxed atmosphere i'd hardly say its " Slack as Fuck". Been the best AND most fun year of learning i've had hands down but with any of these courses you can take or leave as much from these courses as you like. As well as learning a shitload the lecturer's are always more than willing to help and theres always someone around to lend a helping hand in the studio.

As well as that were offered work experience such as last sat where a couple of us helped out at the Film and television studios at central tafe recording a band to air.

[Church Decorator]

i did sae, and i have no regrets, it has helped me a lot

however i did come out of there with no idea of any 'philosophy' of audio production, but good technical and theoretical understanding. so i guess it 'preps' you for an audio job, but it's not necessary nor does it provide you with everything you need to pursue an audio career

[linelevel]

i'd hardly say its " Slack as Fuck". Been the best AND most fun year of learning i've had hands down but with any of these courses you can take or leave as much from these courses as you like. As well as learning a shitload the lecturer's are always more than willing to help and theres always someone around to lend a helping hand in the studio.

As well as that were offered work experience such as last sat where a couple of us helped out at the Film and television studios at central tafe recording a band to air.

Must be my mate who is slack as fuck then!! He's probably in your class dude, his name is Glenn. The fact that you are learning and it's fun is the main bit, I don't think it matters where you go really as long as make an informed decision first and give it ur best.

[Palko]

That tafe course is a really relaxed atmosphere, meaning they don't really spoon feed you all that much, But you can help yourself by asking them a lot of questions which they are willing to answers anytime and show you how its done. In tafe you have to actually show an interest to get anything out of them and the lectures. They have some wicked staff at the tafe technical production course who know their stuff, you just have to apply yourself.

I hear they have change Studio A in to HD and got rid of the horrible MAC system?

[linelevel]

If you can score audio work while you are studying anything audio related, even if its 1 day a week carrying speakers around a venue, your course fees are fully tax deductable. I don't know the fine print on this but it's something to do with you studying to further your current employment. If you gain work after completing the course it doesnt count, so if you can get someone to employ you just before you graduate claim that shit niggar!!! SAE cost me very little as a result of this loophole, yay for accountants!

[Palko]

So you say you did this SAE course and your now working as an audio engineer? Maybe I should of done that course.

GPower & SAE = Audio Engineer
Palko & Tafe = Boom Operator



.... wait

[linelevel]

So you say you did this SAE course and your now working as an audio engineer? Maybe I should of done that course.

GPower & SAE = Audio Engineer
Palko & Tafe = Boom Operator



.... wait

To be honest I'd prefer either of the above to packing shelves of talking to customers any day!

Who do you operate booms for? I hear you get paid a decent wage for that can you confirm?

[Zack]

call them up or email them. im getting a personal tour next monday so i can suss out where the courses will take me etc etc. then ill probly apply straight away. theyre not having open day due to the red bull air race and no parking available

[Palko]

Yeah its good, I was just putting myself down.
At the moment I just finished a Television comical on the dangers of speeding, I do mostly booming short films, TV, News, working with the outside broadcasts, sport -footy etc.
Yeah working my way up to the top, so I can mix live action news and do big budget films.
I've just applied to the crew offering to Road Trip Nation as a location sound recordist, so how hopefully I can go travel and get paid at the same time.

[linelevel]

Which channel you work for or is it freelance? I would like to give booming a go some day, gotta see what else is out there really.

[Palko]

ABC and freelance, I also write orchestral scores for post productions. (only student films at the moment)
Yeah its its different, I alway thought I would be tracking bands in studios but here I am, and I love every minute of it. I eventually want to track orchestras on one of those million channel mixers.

[katatonic]

That tafe course is a really relaxed atmosphere, meaning they don't really spoon feed you all that much, But you can help yourself by asking them a lot of questions which they are willing to answers anytime and show you how its done. In tafe you have to actually show an interest to get anything out of them and the lectures. They have some wicked staff at the tafe technical production course who know their stuff, you just have to apply yourself.

I hear they have change Studio A in to HD and got rid of the horrible MAC system?

Yeah its a zillion times better now, they got a protools HD system now with KRK V8's,
rebuilt a new studio z where carolina's office was with a floating floor for the drums. Drums
dont sound nearly as roomy when recording in Z now compared to A, except for the fact they still have the truth's in z.

Yeah Glen was in my class last semester finishing the first part of cert III and now he's doing the last of cert IV. Cert IV you are left to your own devices alot more .ie. lecturer not around as much.

Also Palko i'd love to see your Hydrophone some time when your not busy, that recording in the river was cool

[obsolute]

The only way to truly learn the elemental necessities is by your own trial and error, figuring shit out for yourself. But DO the course if you can afford it, as there are things that are easier learned when taught to you once or twice. My shitty ability to produce at the moment is because I havent spent much time on it, however, I have come to where I am today without ANY external help. There is MUCH I have to learn to still.

[DUSTCHILD]

Well thanks for the great reponse guys, read every post and its pretty enlightening. I'll probaly do a course in audio engineering and learn how to produce properly when i get more networks in the field.

Just one more question how much am i looking at for a:
1. SAE audio engineering course
2. SAE producer electronic music course
3. TAFE audio engineering coruse

and can i do them part time? I would need to make money while im taking up such courses.

[Slurm]

Well thanks for the great reponse guys, read every post and its pretty enlightening. I'll probaly do a course in audio engineering and learn how to produce properly when i get more networks in the field.

Just one more question how much am i looking at for a:
1. SAE audio engineering course
2. SAE producer electronic music course
3. TAFE audio engineering coruse

and can i do them part time? I would need to make money while im taking up such courses.

Call Dean, SAE Perth manager, on 9325 4533. Ask for material to be posted out.

[katatonic]

Well thanks for the great reponse guys, read every post and its pretty enlightening. I'll probaly do a course in audio engineering and learn how to produce properly when i get more networks in the field.

Just one more question how much am i looking at for a:
1. SAE audio engineering course
2. SAE producer electronic music course
3. TAFE audio engineering coruse

and can i do them part time? I would need to make money while im taking up such courses.

For tafe its a little under 2k for a year. Its easy to fit work around. First half year it was morning classes mon-thurs, this half its afternoons.

[Slurm]

For tafe its a little under 2k for a year. Its easy to fit work around. First half year it was morning classes mon-thurs, this half its afternoons.

What is the qualification after that year?

[katatonic]

Cert 3 or 4.

[Farcough]

I finished cert 3 at SAE , it teaches you alot if you actually finish.The class size was about 15 and only 4 of us did complete the course.It's pretty expensive though , personally i think you should look at tafe instead.

[Palko]

I here rumors that tafe is going to setup a diploma course for technical production. If they do I'll come back and do that for the hell of it and see all my old teachers.

[HERETIK]

do a course if you actually want to be an audio engineer. (job)

rtfm if u just want to make music. (superstar)

[Ghetto Blaster]

Im about half way through the Audio Engineering Diploma atm and i have no regrets about doing it so far.
There is a huge amount of theory involved but all of it is relevant if u want a job in the industry and a lot of it will help u out with your production at home.

most of the ppl there are great aswell, there are a few tossers but u get that anywere. The lecturers are also very knowledgeable (well mine is anyway).

To be honest though u will only get out what u put in, and sadly i recon only about 40-50% of my class will actually pass the course. 10,000 is a lot of money to waste so make sure ur serious about gettin into the industry.

if u are then go for it dude.

ooh u cant do the degree here in Perth anymore though unfortunately

[DUSTCHILD]

Im about half way through the Audio Engineering Diploma atm and i have no regrets about doing it so far.
There is a huge amount of theory involved but all of it is relevant if u want a job in the industry and a lot of it will help u out with your production at home.

most of the ppl there are great aswell, there are a few tossers but u get that anywere. The lecturers are also very knowledgeable (well mine is anyway).

To be honest though u will only get out what u put in, and sadly i recon only about 40-50% of my class will actually pass the course. 10,000 is a lot of money to waste so make sure ur serious about gettin into the industry.

if u are then go for it dude.

ooh u cant do the degree here in Perth anymore though unfortunately

Which course are you talking about? SAE or TAFE?

Well i'm going to apply for the TAFE course and i hope i finish it. This job im at is f@ked!

[Ghetto Blaster]

sorry dude,
im doin the SAE course

[ptown]

ECU Mt Lawley do some pretty joy courses, The main one is Creative Technologies majorin in Music Production...they have awesome equipment an at the end of the day you get a uni degree for doin a hobby (essentially anyways)

ECU also allows for you to branch into diffenent areas ie: film/tele, Net design with sound an scoring for video games (huge industry at the moment)

Look into it aye

[CountBlackula]

anyone got opinions on music production at waapa??? I have applied to do that instead of SAE on the advice of a few people... anyone done this course?

and to the fellow who started the thread - i think try and learn as much as possible forum forums and online tutorials before you go straight into any course.. i think you can learn a lot yourself - then go apply for the course once you feel you have reahced your limitations of what you can acheieve by yourself.. - this way you will probably find it won't be so full on straight off the bat too..

not that i know.. .. but im assuming its the case... seems logical to me...

[ptown]

anyone got opinions on music production at waapa??? I have applied to do that instead of SAE on the advice of a few people... anyone done this course?

and to the fellow who started the thread - i think try and learn as much as possible forum forums and online tutorials before you go straight into any course.. i think you can learn a lot yourself - then go apply for the course once you feel you have reahced your limitations of what you can acheieve by yourself.. - this way you will probably find it won't be so full on straight off the bat too..

not that i know.. .. but im assuming its the case... seems logical to me...

WAAPA dosnt actually run the music production courses if your talking about the one at ECU. Its run in the WAAPA building tho using their equipment...I think this is the best option for before looking to do courses on music production...for many reason, a few listed in my last post in this thread.

Another massive reason is also you can do a Unit that runs thru the course called Principle Studies which focusses on using outboard gear, desk, rack (some awesome an expensive stuff too...RME'ss mmmm) This is an awesome knowledge base to bring back into electronic production.

Tutors have also been in the production game for over 15 years running their on studios an labels, great for sourcing industries requirements.

Ist year can be a drag as you the compolsory units have nothing to do with music production...

[DUSTCHILD]

Hey guys, i looked up the TAFE website and i couldn't find anything on audio engineering. So i ask, which TAFE in WA does audio engineering?

[AntibyotiK]

Hey guys, i looked up the TAFE website and i couldn't find anything on audio engineering. So i ask, which TAFE in WA does audio engineering?

You can do a Certificate 3 or 4 in Music specializing in Technical Production at leedy tafe. i wanna try it out next year.

[katatonic]

anyone got opinions on music production at waapa??? I have applied to do that instead of SAE on the advice of a few people... anyone done this course?

and to the fellow who started the thread - i think try and learn as much as possible forum forums and online tutorials before you go straight into any course.. i think you can learn a lot yourself - then go apply for the course once you feel you have reahced your limitations of what you can acheieve by yourself.. - this way you will probably find it won't be so full on straight off the bat too..

not that i know.. .. but im assuming its the case... seems logical to me...

Know a couple who've done it, plus investigated myself. You definetly want to try to get some experience in the field before you go for this course. just my 2c.

Very highly accredited course once completed though.

[Oliver B]

hey dudes,

i might be looking at doing the sae Audio Engineering diploma, don't care what other people say.
been doing music for a while and anything that can take my mixes to the next level is good. but it is $11000,.....uhhhh.

that 32 ch TLA console looks tasty,....

[Creek]

Any night courses at tafes on music production? Would be cool to attend something like that

[Slurm]

that 32 ch TLA console looks tasty,....

Sweet inline console. Multiple tube stages, excellent EQ, versatile bussing/aux system. Matched with some nice outboard and monitoring at the Perth college too.

With that 10k+ though, Id buy the TLA 8 channel version and some TLA outboard

[Oliver B]

Sweet inline console. Multiple tube stages, excellent EQ, versatile bussing/aux system. Matched with some nice outboard and monitoring at the Perth college too.

With that 10k+ though, Id buy the TLA 8 channel version and some TLA outboard

hehe,...
i started sending demos out and if i get signed, i might use the money for some decent monitors and a summing mixer or the TLA 8 channel.
but having a audo eng diploma could help me get an job in the audio industry, i'm hooked.

[Zack]

my friend ado told me his mate got a tune signed to digital soundboy after doing the emp course at sae. i would say that sae is worth it after hearing that

[linelevel]

my friend ado told me his mate got a tune signed to digital soundboy after doing the emp course at sae. i would say that sae is worth it after hearing that

http://www.rolldabeats.com/label/dig...boy_recordings

which one is your mates mate?

[Zack]

http://www.rolldabeats.com/label/dig...boy_recordings

which one is your mates mate?

no idea mate he didnt go into it.

[G_DnB Lover]

my dad used to be a teacher at SAE....for 2 weeks....becuase he quit!
he said the place is run by ex students without any industry EXP!
yer they give you all the theory and technical but with no real context!
if you want to do a bachlor course, go to WAAPA and study Bachlor of Music - Sound Recording
A LOT BETTER....SAE diplomas, ppl just look and laugh at them, they dont mean shit!

[ptown]

anyone know how much the elec music production six month course is??

[Slurm]

my dad used to be a teacher at SAE....for 2 weeks....becuase he quit!
he said the place is run by ex students without any industry EXP!
yer they give you all the theory and technical but with no real context!
if you want to do a bachlor course, go to WAAPA and study Bachlor of Music - Sound Recording
A LOT BETTER....SAE diplomas, ppl just look and laugh at them, they dont mean shit!

Lol.

Yeah none of us have/had ANY industry experience whatsoever! Theres no context to the theory! NONE! Those SAE Diploma's get laughed at! BY EVERYONE!

G_AsS_Lover, Im sure your dad, in his infinite wisdom and experience JUMPED at the chance to TEACH rather than PERFORM his skills and expertise, because SAE sure pays so much better than you'll get ANYWHERE in the industry.

Anyone that finishes education, of any kind, and expects a piece of paper to get them a free ride is delusional, and this is the entertainment industry.

Please, get a clue.

[BassQuake]

SAE..... where washed out, bitter old DJ's, go to die.....

[G_DnB Lover]

Lol.

Yeah none of us have/had ANY industry experience whatsoever! Theres no context to the theory! NONE! Those SAE Diploma's get laughed at! BY EVERYONE!

G_AsS_Lover, Im sure your dad, in his infinite wisdom and experience JUMPED at the chance to TEACH rather than PERFORM his skills and expertise, because SAE sure pays so much better than you'll get ANYWHERE in the industry.

Anyone that finishes education, of any kind, and expects a piece of paper to get them a free ride is delusional, and this is the entertainment industry.

Please, get a clue.

fuckward, i didnt say anything about a free ride....i just said, what he has told me, that it is not the greatest for sound but this was a while back so it could of change. i am just puttin my two cents.
blow me queer!

[BassQuake]

blow me queer!

Sorry?

[ellerollo]

my friend ado told me his mate got a tune signed to digital soundboy after doing the emp course at sae. i would say that sae is worth it after hearing that

LOL... i have heard kids making tunes on their home pc for less than 2 years have there shizzle played on fabio rider show on bbc radio 1. ..........

imo sae is overpriced and there isnt alot of job opportunity in perth once your done. if u can get into ecu music academy then cool..

if u wanna make dance music... learn the software... bring in some nice sounds... be original and network with labels n producers................

[linelevel]

no idea mate he didnt go into it.

Funny that

[linelevel]

fuckward, i didnt say anything about a free ride....i just said, what he has told me, that it is not the greatest for sound but this was a while back so it could of change. i am just puttin my two cents.
blow me queer!

Could it be that perhaps your old man lasted 2 weeks cos he's a twat?