Overseas workers - good or bad?

[Sneeza]

So Gina Rinehart's massive Roy Hill project will need a lot of workers and the news today reported that they could go overseas to fulfill that need.

The Unions are asking why? Why can't we train local workers to do the jobs instead of importing semi skilled workers and trades people from places like Ireland where they are desperate to leave their flailing country for a better life here?

And then this

But Unions WA secretary Simone McGurk said it was frustrating Mrs Rinehart was trying to get foreign semi-skilled workers, while youth unemployment ``in areas like Kwinana ...has gone from 14.5 per cent to 28.1 per cent in the last three years''.

On the flip side, is it a private business's job to fix these kind of issues? Hire and spend $$$ training people people from low socio-economic areas? This could be the chance for these people to get into the resource industry?

[Satan]

They should exhaust local supplies before going overseas. I've been slammed on here before for saying there is a job for every unemployed person in this state and even Australia......Interested to see how this debate pans out

[Kevin]

Kwinana has 28% youth unemplyoment. That figure seems wrong. Way too low

[Sneeza]

They should exhaust local supplies before going overseas. I've been slammed on here before for saying there is a job for every unemployed person in this state and even Australia......Interested to see how this debate pans out

I would tend to agree. Washing dishes at a restaurant is something most people can do for example!

BUT... there can be other issues as to why someone can't work - community issues etc. It's not always just that they are too lazy to get a job.

[dart]

stop the boats!

[Kevin]

They should exhaust local supplies before going overseas. I've been slammed on here before for saying there is a job for every unemployed person in this state and even Australia......Interested to see how this debate pans out

You know how this pans out. It will end up with Multivital and Frogman shouting down anyone that has an alternate opinion. In caps

[Kevin]

stop the boats!

That's how they are getting in from Kwinana

[Sneeza]

You know how this pans out. It will end up with Multivital and Frogman shouting down anyone that has an alternate opinion. In caps

That's the effect I was hoping for.

[c_avdas]

there's a grain terminal near there... stop the oats!

[frogman]

The Unions are asking why? Why can't we train local workers to do the jobs instead of importing semi skilled workers and trades people from places like Ireland where they are desperate to leave their flailing country for a better life here?

As far as I know, the feds just announced an extra billion or so for trainee-ships and apprentices. There is a massive skills shortage in Australia, not only in the mining industry, but in others, like healthcare and aging support. If companies wants people to fill jobs, they are going to try and find them. If they aren't available in Australia, they will source them from overseas.

On the flip side, is it a private business's job to fix these kind of issues? Hire and spend $$$ training people people from low socio-economic areas? This could be the chance for these people to get into the resource industry?

Depends on how much you believe in the purely capitalistic society. If you believe that its the businesses job to turn a profit at any cost, then no, its not up to the business to train people up from scratch and employ them. If you believe in a slightly more holistic approach, and if you read anything coming out about how some companies are going back even further and helping tertiary education providers design courses that better reflect the needs of their work force, then its probably in the best interest of the company to train someone up from scratch. AFAIK, internally trained people are more loyal to a company, especially if the education is ongoing.

You know how this pans out. It will end up with Multivital and Frogman shouting down anyone that has an alternate opinion. In caps

I dont use caps.

[Sneeza]

I agree - I think where a company offers training to it's workers they are more likely to show loyalty in return. It costs alot of money to employ someone from scratch. If they can hire someone, shell out the initial dollars in training then keep them for an extended period of time - surely they are better off.

Also training someone from scratch means they are taught the business's way... following their processes and procedures. I personally find it very frustrating when I hear in induction "oh but at Rio they do it like this" "At BHP they do it like that".... and they refuse to accept a new way of doing something.

[Kevin]

I dont use caps.

[heist]

are they hot?

[dart]

That's how they are getting in from Butler

Should ban everyone that wasn't born in Australia from working here I reckon.

[Sneeza]

Should ban everyone that wasn't born in Australia from working here I reckon.

LOL

BRI TON forever!

[Kevin]

Should ban everyone that wasn't born in Australia from working here I reckon.

I don't really work anyway

[Slurm]

Roy Hill was the most beautiful place. Fuck her and whatever she stands for.

Pull it all out of the ground right. fucking. now. It all trickles down.

A job for every unemployed person? Fucking lol. Zero percent unemployment? Fucking lol.

[Slurm]

The whole "taking our jobs" accusation leveled at refugees becomes sort of farcical when they will talk about bringing in the Irish, but fuck those darkies from countries we pauperized.

[Kevin]

The whole "taking our jobs" accusation leveled at refugees becomes sort of farcical when they will talk about bringing in the Irish, but fuck those darkies from countries we pauperized.

*insert race here

*Irish
*Wogs
*Asians
*Middle Easterners
*Africans

[dart]

The whole "taking our jobs" accusation leveled at refugees becomes sort of farcical when they will talk about bringing in the Irish, but fuck those darkies from countries we pauperized.

"now that i'm here, fuck anyone else that wants to come in"

[Slurm]

Well, theres work to be done, why not bring in a labour force?

As long as they are paid the same, treated the same and afforded the same benefits, whats the problem?

What happens when the mines play out, or theres a downturn in the economy, or just pure cuntiness live Ravensthorpe? Do we just ship all those poor bastards back where they came from after they made those transnationals all that money?

Oh. Yeah. Right.

[Slurm]

*insert race here

*Irish
*Wogs
*Asians
*Middle Easterners
*Africans

The Irish are some of the most heavily fucked-over peoples.

They'll have to learn the language and integrate though.

[Sneeza]

Well, theres work to be done, why not bring in a labour force?

As long as they are paid the same, treated the same and afforded the same benefits, whats the problem?

What happens when the mines play out, or theres a downturn in the economy, or just pure cuntiness live Ravensthorpe? Do we just ship all those poor bastards back where they came from after they made those transnationals all that money?

Oh. Yeah. Right.

What are the visa laws for 457's? If you dont have a sponsored job you have to leave?

[Slurm]

Is the cost of training someone to work low-skilled mining industry jobs more than the cost of having them in detention for years?

[Sneeza]

Is the cost of training someone to work low-skilled mining industry jobs more than the cost of having them in detention for years?

The jobs they bring people in for usually are for roles like fitters and operators - I am pretty sure that a 457 visa is for a skilled worker. They aren't low skilled jobs.

But for jobs like TA's, Labourers etc - those types of low skilled jobs there is virutally no training. It is mainly learn on the job. So you're right.. it wouldn't cost much at all I guess compared to dentention.

[Slurm]

How much does it cost you to train as a fitter? A hundred thousand? Two?

[Sneeza]

How much does it cost you to train as a fitter? A hundred thousand? Two?

I have no idea. It's a trade - so you would do an apprenticeship for 3 or 4 years of which you can work in a semi government funded program for a company. Like Komatsu, Cat etc

But I see your point still

[Uncle Tom]

I agree - I think where a company offers training to it's workers they are more likely to show loyalty in return. It costs alot of money to employ someone from scratch. If they can hire someone, shell out the initial dollars in training then keep them for an extended period of time - surely they are better off.

Also training someone from scratch means they are taught the business's way... following their processes and procedures. I personally find it very frustrating when I hear in induction "oh but at Rio they do it like this" "At BHP they do it like that".... and they refuse to accept a new way of doing something.

Theres no such thing as loyalty by employers or employees in industry. I know of a particular project that is close to firing up and recruited techs 2-3 years in advance and had them in full blown specialist engineering training programs for the duration or had them do nothing but are about to lose half of them to another project about to start so basically this company had invested a lot in training to the benefit of a rival. Guaranteed the next lot recruited wont have a generous training regime as the first lot.

[Hoser]

The Irish are some of the most heavily fucked-over peoples.They'll have to learn the language and integrate though.

The irish fresh off the boat are hard to understand i tells ya!

[frogman]

Theres no such thing as loyalty by employers or employees in industry. I know of a particular project that is close to firing up and recruited techs 2-3 years in advance and had them in full blown specialist engineering training programs for the duration or had them do nothing but are about to lose half of them to another project about to start so basically this company had invested a lot in training to the benefit of a rival. Guaranteed the next lot recruited wont have a generous training regime as the first lot.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

[Curare]

The irish fresh off the boat are hard to understand i tells ya!

All the do is mumble and say fuck a lot!

[Mono Lisa]

We have to get 457s in for our skilled jobs (mostly Irish) because we cant find any aussies willing to go to site on a FIFO basis. Go figure.

[Uncle Tom]

The plural of anecdote is not data.

In that case it could be applied to everyone who has posted here. Given that I have been in industry since 1993 with the major corporates I would say I have some idea about the subject matter.....more so then most here.

[badr]

I am trying for a job from an Abu Dhabi company in Brisbane. Tax Free bitches!

[heist]

wouldn't be the first company i heard of that thought training workers is a bad idea because they might jump ship

stupid course of action of course.. a company full of untrained guys is a shitty company.


also i don't think "loyalty" really has any place in the culture of multinational resource extraction corps

[Uncle Tom]

also i don't think "loyalty" really has any place in the culture of multinational resource extraction corps

Agree

[djqc]

They should exhaust local supplies before going overseas. I've been slammed on here before for saying there is a job for every unemployed person in this state and even Australia......Interested to see how this debate pans out

I actually agree with what you have written for once! Good work. The north west is already full of immigrants that have made the choice to move overseas and make a new start. Good on them, but we should exhaust the local workforce first. The etu is in the makings of a list of all tradesman, apprentices, ta's that want to available to work. That list gets given to the client at the start of a job, in hope that they ring all of the people on the list before outsourcing. Let's hope they do. If they do go through the list and still need numbers, then why not? The job still needs to get done.

[djqc]

I am trying for a job from an Abu Dhabi company in Brisbane. Tax Free bitches!

You have to pay tax in their country now a days. And then when you get the money into oz, you still pay a tax. Working overseas doesn't reap the rewards it did years ago. Working for an overseas company within Australia might get you a tax break somehow?

[Grover]

We should import Philipinos and / or Indos and pay them half of what we pay the bogans. Then fuck 'em off after three years.

[badr]

You have to pay tax in their country now a days. And then when you get the money into oz, you still pay a tax. Working overseas doesn't reap the rewards it did years ago. Working for an overseas company within Australia might get you a tax break somehow?

actually I don't pay any tax apart from the petrol in my car, which changes when I move to abu dhabi from Dubai.

Salaries are paid into offshore accounts. Company also has accomidation and allowance for bills/car.

So my salary can go right up my nose in meth/cocaine/ inhale of my farts.

Don't know about tax breaks.

[djqc]

You're my idol. Get me a job bro. I have nostrils too

[Uncle Tom]

I actually agree with what you have written for once! Good work. The north west is already full of immigrants that have made the choice to move overseas and make a new start. Good on them, but we should exhaust the local workforce first. The etu is in the makings of a list of all tradesman, apprentices, ta's that want to available to work. That list gets given to the client at the start of a job, in hope that they ring all of the people on the list before outsourcing. Let's hope they do. If they do go through the list and still need numbers, then why not? The job still needs to get done.

Local as in local to say whickam and karratha if you work at cape Lambert? Hell yeah! Fuck the FIFO mutts off!

[djqc]

I'm at cape lambert now and it is breaking my soul. Handed in my notice this morning after 5 days on the job. I truly dislike it here

[tension]

Pull it all out of the ground right. fucking. now. It all trickles down.

This. Why not slow down the rate at which we excavate the resources in this country?

Need more billions of dollars hurrrr

[heist]

They should exhaust local supplies before going overseas. I've been slammed on here before for saying there is a job for every unemployed person in this state and even Australia......Interested to see how this debate pans out

were you really "slammed" or did one person disagree with you?

[geisha]

maybe they feel they have "exhausted" local talent and since all the kids in kwinana are happier to sniff paint and collect their fortnightly dole cheque, they've now widened the net and are offering jobs to skilled migrants?

i do think we should offer jobs locally first but i guess it doesn't always work out.

[Uncle Tom]

I'm at cape lambert now and it is breaking my soul. Handed in my notice this morning after 5 days on the job. I truly dislike it here

Its not for everyone.
Inpex are looking for sparkies for the new LNG project in Darwin. Tradies start around $280k pa with the first 2 years spent living in Japan. Check their website.

[geisha]

do they need someone to drive a truck? fuck accounting lol

[djqc]

Its not for everyone. Inpex are looking for sparkies for the new LNG project in Darwin. Tradies start around $280k pa with the first 2 years spent living in Japan. Check their website.

I love working away and have done for a couple of years now. It's just this job specifically. I will never work in iron ore again. There isn't enough to keep me interested here. I'm looking for LNG work! Thanks for the heads up

[badr]

You're my idol. Get me a job bro. I have nostrils too

This is the greatest post from 2008- til now.