The Police

[Multivital]

My husband is no where near being a "violent karnt" (thanks for that).. and is huge way from crossing "that line".
He is built to be a police officer - it's all he has ever wanted to do in his life. And regardless of what people think - he IS one of the good ones. But unfortunately, he has seen a lot of bad reality in the last 6 years, but if anyone can overcome it, it's my hubby.

awesome.

how about in five years' time?

Ten?

Twenty?

Will all the criminals have become nice? Will he be given roses and chocolates on the street?

If he is already entering every situation looking for the negative (as you said), then he's not likely to become a very happy little vegemite, is he?

Just exactly what do you think is going to ensure that ten years from now he's not bashing the shit out of people because he's just had enough?

I guarantee your answer will be the same as every other cop's wife whose husband eventually went on to bash the shit out of people.

Get over your nonsense and realise I'm not blaming HIM - it's the JOB.

Only a very small number of personality types are able to do that job without it affecting them negatively and you have already explained your husband is not one of them.

[geisha]

No. Stop it. Realise that the profession is toxic, and it is actively harming your husband. He has already crossed that line. You said it yourself. He sees the bad first, and then the good. What happens when his standards of "bad" become so warped, that suddenly they apply to you?

plenty of professions and/or workplaces are toxic. working in a mental health facility, being a social worker, working in a jail etc etc.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

No. Stop it. Realise that the profession is toxic, and it is actively harming your husband. He has already crossed that line. You said it yourself. He sees the bad first, and then the good. What happens when his standards of "bad" become so warped, that suddenly they apply to you?

Oh get over yourself seriously. My husband is just more wary of people due to the dicks he deals with. He is not violent and he is not going to beat me up. And if he does, you will be the first to know! LOL..

[Multivital]

where in that article does it say he snapped because of his job as a cop? you're drawing a conclusion that his work as a police officer has "blackened his soul" thereby causing him to snap.

there is nothing in the facts to support this. maybe his wife just turned him down for sex and he was feeling particularly ragey that day. or maybe he has anger management problems already (unrelated to his line of work i mean)

jesus christ, I know this thread is like honey-coated smack for your daddy issues but can't you just go back to lurking where you don't make such an idiot of yourself?

VIOLENT PROFESSIONS GENERATE A HIGHER AMOUNT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE STRESSFUL THAN OTHER PROFESSIONS AND REQUIRE VIOLENCE AS A MEANS OF RESOLUTION. THEY ALSO ATTRACT PERSONALITY TYPES WHO HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF ENJOYING INFLICTING VIOLENCE AND WIELDING AUTHORITY AND THEY ENCOURAGE INTERNAL CULTURES THAN FORCE PEOPLE TO TAKE ON THESE PERSPECTIVES. THIS IS NOT NEWS.

fucking duh.

[frogman]

plenty of professions and/or workplaces are toxic. working in a mental health facility, being a social worker, working in a jail etc etc.

Yes. Congrats. You have realises that some jobs do indeed suck ass. Apart from working in a jail, none of those mentioned wield the power of life and death with such brazen disregard for the rules as police officers. None of those mentioned have such a powerful and well connected body ensuring that their powers are only ever increased, never decreased.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

awesome.

how about in five years' time?

Ten?

Twenty?

Will all the criminals have become nice? Will he be given roses and chocolates on the street?

If he is already entering every situation looking for the negative (as you said), then he's not likely to become a very happy little vegemite, is he?

Just exactly what do you think is going to ensure that ten years from now he's not bashing the shit out of people because he's just had enough?

I guarantee your answer will be the same as every other cop's wife whose husband eventually went on to bash the shit out of people.

Get over your nonsense and realise I'm not blaming HIM - it's the JOB.

Only a very small number of personality types are able to do that job without it affecting them negatively and you have already explained your husband is not one of them.

Well, I will get back to you in 10 years time and let you know how is doing and the amount of people he has bashed

[Multivital]

plenty of professions and/or workplaces are toxic. working in a mental health facility, being a social worker, working in a jail etc etc.

*slow clap*

That's his point. Well done princess!

[frogman]

Oh get over yourself seriously. My husband is just more wary of people due to the dicks he deals with. He is not violent and he is not going to beat me up. And if he does, you will be the first to know! LOL..

Forgive me for not finding this discussion all that lolworthy.

Im not saying that he is going to snap tomorrow. Its probably not going to be next week either. Nor will one day he come home after a long day, and you havent made the dinner properly, and he kicks the shit out of you.

Its going to be slow, its going to be gradual, and you are going to justify it every step of the way, until you come out of it with a black eye or some bruises where you fell down the stairs.

[heyuinthebush]

and before heyuinthebush posts how the police are all awesome guys and she wants to marry one and a few bad apples spoil it for everyone, I hope she reads the actual cop wife posts in here.

I was sort of wondering when she was going to make an appearance. Also waiting on Sneeza, but not really holding out much hope.

Cunts.

I am not saying anything about it as much, as I am twitching to get in on this. You already have your preconceived ideas on how I feel about the police force so what's the point? I will always say what happened was an injustice but not all cops are bad eggs and you will say I want to marry a cop and waffle on.

Having said that, what the cop wife's first post made me choke on my coffee . So there.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

jesus christ, I know this thread is like honey-coated smack for your daddy issues but can't you just go back to lurking where you don't make such an idiot of yourself?

VIOLENT PROFESSIONS GENERATE A HIGHER AMOUNT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE STRESSFUL THAN OTHER PROFESSIONS AND REQUIRE VIOLENCE AS A MEANS OF RESOLUTION. THEY ALSO ATTRACT PERSONALITY TYPES WHO HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF ENJOYING INFLICTING VIOLENCE AND WIELDING AUTHORITY AND THEY ENCOURAGE INTERNAL CULTURES THAN FORCE PEOPLE TO TAKE ON THESE PERSPECTIVES. THIS IS NOT NEWS.

fucking duh.

So may I ask what is your profession that makes you the person you are? Because I don't know you at all, but judging by the anger you display in your posts - you're a pretty agreessive guy. So just wondering what toxic job you have?

[Multivital]

Well, I will get back to you in 10 years time and let you know how is doing and the amount of people he has bashed

howabout you make the effort to suggest he finds a job that pays as well, doesn't make him negative and doesn't run the risk of him getting so fucked up by it that he does start bashing people?

do you honestly think the cops who DO bash people are fucking monsters who start off HOHO IMA GONNA BASH SOME CUNTZ???

no, they start off just like your hubby. decent guys, doing the best they can in a job where you see shit things all the time.

it's just random chance that one day, one of them goes over the line after seeing too much, or something too horrid.

it's a myth that violent men are born that way, and look obviously violent.

your husband is in a job where the chance of him going that way is MUCH higher than in most other jobs. if you give even the slightest of a shit about that, suggest that he get another one or get some hardcore counselling so he can process the shit better.

I wouldn't risk that kind of thing with someone I cared about.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

Forgive me for not finding this discussion all that lolworthy.

Im not saying that he is going to snap tomorrow. Its probably not going to be next week either. Nor will one day he come home after a long day, and you havent made the dinner properly, and he kicks the shit out of you.

Its going to be slow, its going to be gradual, and you are going to justify it every step of the way, until you come out of it with a black eye or some bruises where you fell down the stairs.

I'm having great lulz too.
You don't know my husband.. so please do not pass judgement on his character.

[frogman]

Cunts.

I am not saying anything about it as much, as I am twitching to get in on this. You already have your preconceived ideas on how I feel about the police force so what's the point? I will always say what happened was an injustice but not all cops are bad eggs and you will say I want to marry a cop and waffle on.

Having said that, what the cop wife's first post made me choke on my coffee . So there.

Well, yeah. I have an idea about what you think, based on previous conversations, but im always happy to hear a fresh argument.

So may I ask what is your profession that makes you the person you are? Because I don't know you at all, but judging by the anger you display in your posts - you're a pretty agreessive guy. So just wondering what toxic job you have?

What bit exactly is MV being passive about?

[frogman]

I'm having great lulz too.
You don't know my husband.. so please do not pass judgement on his character.

Im not passing judgement on his character. Im passing judgement on his profession. The two are not inextricably linked.

[Multivital]

So may I ask what is your profession that makes you the person you are? Because I don't know you at all, but judging by the anger you display in your posts - you're a pretty agreessive guy. So just wondering what toxic job you have?

I'm not aggressive at all. Assuming that you pay no attention to TS, the way I post is not the way I act in real life.

But yes, I suffer frustration and anger in my job too, like most people. But as I work in marketing, the chance of me snapping and punching the fuck out of some hippy cunt WHO JUST WON'T MOVE WHEN HE IS TOLD TO is a fair bit lower than that of your husband.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

howabout you make the effort to suggest he finds a job that pays as well, doesn't make him negative and doesn't run the risk of him getting so fucked up by it that he does start bashing people?

Not that it's any of your business, but yes we have absolutely discussed having something for him to fall back on. He has a diploma in Graphic Designing. Thanks for your concern.

[geisha]

i don't see why MV has to get personal. it really detracts from the point of the thread, don't you think MV?

have any of you geniuses ever considered that a person's mental and emotional development within a job is an ever-changing thing? someone starts a job, no experience and no idea about what to expect, in a haze of dizzying expectation that they will be a hero for their local community and go nothing but good. 5 years later, they are somewhat more jaded. fast forward another 5 years and perhaps now they just see the job for what it is - some good, some bad.

you are making a huge assumption that a person doing a "potentially violent job that wields power" and provides the ability to "decide between life and death" is necessarily and without question on a downward curve when it comes to their emotional/mental wellbeing. that they start from up here, and MUST end up down there, because that's the nature of the job.

i would propose a more likely outcome is that a person's emotional/mental state is influenced and dependent upon other factors - their intelligence, their emotional intelligence, whether they have a supportive partner etc. yes a violent job can get some people down to the point where they snap or become violent perpetrators themselves. but that isn't always the case. it's possible fiona's husband is at a point where he is thinking "hey this ain't what it's cracked up to be" but will persevere and end up in a space where he thinks "there is some good in this job and i'm glad i stuck with it".

saying that he will always turn out to be a violent wife-basher is narrow minded and ridiculously prescriptive. do you have a crystal ball or something MV?

[frogman]

*complains about thread getting personal, gets personal*

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

I'm not aggressive at all. Assuming that you pay no attention to TS, the way I post is not the way I act in real life.

But yes, I suffer frustration and anger in my job too, like most people. But as I work in marketing, the chance of me snapping and punching the fuck out of some hippy cunt WHO JUST WON'T MOVE WHEN HE IS TOLD TO is a fair bit lower than that of your husband.

I stopped paying attention to TS when it became too commercial. LOL

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

i don't see why MV has to get personal. it really detracts from the point of the thread, don't you think MV?

have any of you geniuses ever considered that a person's mental and emotional development within a job is an ever-changing thing? someone starts a job, no experience and no idea about what to expect, in a haze of dizzying expectation that they will be a hero for their local community and go nothing but good. 5 years later, they are somewhat more jaded. fast forward another 5 years and perhaps now they just see the job for what it is - some good, some bad.

you are making a huge assumption that a person doing a "potentially violent job that wields power" and provides the ability to "decide between life and death" is necessarily and without question on a downward curve when it comes to their emotional/mental wellbeing. that they start from up here, and MUST end up down there, because that's the nature of the job.

i would propose a more likely outcome is that a person's emotional/mental state is influenced and dependent upon other factors - their intelligence, their emotional intelligence, whether they have a supportive partner etc. yes a violent job can get some people down to the point where they snap or become violent perpetrators themselves. but that isn't always the case. it's possible fiona's husband is at a point where he is thinking "hey this ain't what it's cracked up to be" but will persevere and end up in a space where he thinks "there is some good in this job and i'm glad i stuck with it".

saying that he will always turn out to be a violent wife-basher is narrow minded and ridiculously prescriptive. do you have a crystal ball or something MV?

Check mate.

[Infinitude]

I have to say that I feel for those who joined the force with altruistic objectives for a llarge array of reasons.

[voi]

Maybe those people who are being arrested shouldn't be such fucking arseholes to police officers to begin with!! Most police officers wouldn't use excessive force if the person being detained would just back down and stop being a racist knob. Simple as that.

Well said...

Hiii Foniii ))

[Multivital]

i don't see why MV has to get personal. it really detracts from the point of the thread, don't you think MV?

have any of you geniuses ever considered that a person's mental and emotional development within a job is an ever-changing thing? someone starts a job, no experience and no idea about what to expect, in a haze of dizzying expectation that they will be a hero for their local community and go nothing but good. 5 years later, they are somewhat more jaded. fast forward another 5 years and perhaps now they just see the job for what it is - some good, some bad.

you are making a huge assumption that a person doing a "potentially violent job that wields power" and provides the ability to "decide between life and death" is necessarily and without question on a downward curve when it comes to their emotional/mental wellbeing. that they start from up here, and MUST end up down there, because that's the nature of the job.

i would propose a more likely outcome is that a person's emotional/mental state is influenced and dependent upon other factors - their intelligence, their emotional intelligence, whether they have a supportive partner etc. yes a violent job can get some people down to the point where they snap or become violent perpetrators themselves. but that isn't always the case. it's possible fiona's husband is at a point where he is thinking "hey this ain't what it's cracked up to be" but will persevere and end up in a space where he thinks "there is some good in this job and i'm glad i stuck with it".

saying that he will always turn out to be a violent wife-basher is narrow minded and ridiculously prescriptive. do you have a crystal ball or something MV?

I propose you're an idiot who doesn't actually read what is in front of her in favour of blahblahblah

Show me where I said anyone is "necessarily and without question on a downward curve when it comes to their emotional/mental wellbeing. that they start from up here, and MUST end up down there"

Oh that's right, IN THE SAME FUCKING SENTENCE YOU QUOTED MY USE OF THE WORD 'POTENTIALLY'. Note also use of words like CHANCE, you know to indicate something MAY happen and MAY NOT?

Poke your daddy issues and you all lose perspective. Pay attention before trying to be smart.

The whole point that Frogman and I are making (and you rather tardily) is that yes, it's all down to environment.

So if 8-10 hours of your day has a much higher percentage of events that are apt to generate violent consequences there is a likewise higher chance of being affected by those events.

THAT IS ALL.

As both of us clearly said (and were ignored) this is not about judging anyone. This is about pretty simple, and unfortunate, situations of
cause and effect.

It's always down to the element of chance but you do get to choose which actions you take that will stack it more one way than the other.

[Chach]

that I feel for those who joined the force with altruistic objectives for a large array of reasons.

I'm more concerned about the number who join so they can get away with criminal activity

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

Well said...

Hiii Foniii ))

Heyyyyyy!! <3

[geisha]

I have to say that I feel for those who joined the force with altruistic objectives for a llarge array of reasons.

the same could be said for any job. how many of us are gung-ho to get our "careers" started when we're in uni, fantasizing about how great it's going to be to finally be working in what we have so diligently studied years to achieve?

maybe it's ok for the first few years and then things get boring, tedious, there's too much politics etc etc. and pretty soon you're thinking "this isn't what i signed up for!"

sure, being a police officer in the line of duty it's probably a little more polarizing than that, as the situations you'd be confronted with would be far more real and raw.

[Multivital]

Check mate.

see above, stop being so goddamn stupid. Read what is written and understand it, don't take it personally and don't get all fucked up because you are concerned it may have elements of truth.

and you ARE concerned because you wouldn't bother saying anything otherwise since you would KNOW there was no issue.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

see above, stop being so goddamn stupid. Read what is written and understand it, don't take it personally and don't get all fucked up because you are concerned it may have elements of truth.

and you ARE concerned because you wouldn't bother saying anything otherwise since you would KNOW there was no issue.

Why would I want to respond to someone who is insulting me?

[geisha]

see above, stop being so goddamn stupid. Read what is written and understand it, don't take it personally and don't get all fucked up because you are concerned it may have elements of truth.

and you ARE concerned because you wouldn't bother saying anything otherwise since you would KNOW there was no issue.

you're right. her husband should become a marketing gimp like you. then he would have all day to sit around on his fat ass, slumped over his keyboard issuing insults over an electronic dance music forum.

[R3450N]

It is no secret that the police profession attracts 'dogs' needing to go on a power trip. I mean, think of Teknoscape's own Ted Bundy who fortunately gave up trying to become one. But am I saying they are all like this? No.

I've had a few run ins with the police during my years of being a bipolar bad boy but they were relatively mostly positive. Half of them were with indigenous cops and that may have something to do with it. Not that I'm one of them, of course, but that they are probably drawn to the profession for different reasons and most likely have a different outlook on how to deal with the public (yes, public, not "criminals"). They were pretty decent at talking to me and realised I obviously wasn't a threat. I've actually seen better communication with these guys than so-called "experts" in psychiatry. The rest of the police I've dealt with came off as very cold and looked like they were ready to go off on a rampage in Afghanistan.

I do accept though I'm more than likely to be killed by a policeman than a crazed drug addict if I were to take my misbehaviour one notch sliughtly above. I've read of many stories in the news of people doing similar things to what I have done and getting killed over it. Very frightening and horrifying. Can't believe that coudl happen. Fortunately those days of being an idiot are long long gone.

The only problem I've ever had really was with private security forces. Had a situation once where they were extremely aggressive and kept swearing at me and not letting me leave for something really trivial I did. I was not provoking them at all and I'm not even sure if I even said a word that night. I'm a very gentle person so these guys must have been looking for some sort of justification for their existence, or they were really bored trying to create some excitement for themselves -- living out a fantasy where they get to chase down criminals in their wannabe cop cars shooting nerf guns out of the windows while driving downstairs in public spaces.

[dart]

they don't start out bad. . .

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

you're right. her husband should become a marketing gimp like you. then he would have all day to sit around on his fat ass, slumped over his keyboard issuing insults over an electronic dance music forum.

Lulz.. I miss you Eva <3

[frogman]

Why would I want to respond to someone who is insulting me?

So that means you will respond to my posts yeah?

[frogman]

you're right. her husband should become a marketing gimp like you. then he would have all day to sit around on his fat ass, slumped over his keyboard issuing insults over an electronic dance music forum.

I liked the bit about how you complained that MV got too personal, then came out with this gem.

[geisha]

I liked the bit about how you complained that MV got too personal, then came out with this gem.

i know, pot/kettle/black. but the fact that he can't argue in an objective, non-personal manner without throwing insults at people obviously points to some brain injury or mental retardation, therefore i give up and resort to petty insults also.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

So that means you will respond to my posts yeah?

ha! no unfortunately I have wasted almost 2 hours this morning on this forum - I think I better do what I am being paid for.

ktxbai

[chay]

hahaha oh my god, i got like 12 words into ravess's first comment and thought "dad's a cop". i was close! that's some textbook shit right there.

on what planet it is reasonable to say "well his job is really stressful, and he often sees the worst of people during the course of his employment. so of course sometimes some of them flip out and kill people. lucky their industry is set up so that that eventuality doesn't have many consequences, because then where would we be?"

*edit: also, i used to think MOST cops were the good ones. unfortunately all of my observations in real life have indicated the complete opposite. for the record, i have been genuinely nothing but polite and compliant with police in any of my dealings with them. thankfully i have'nt been tasered, but i have been shoved into a bin and called a "useless slut" for my efforts. maybe i was being unconsciously racist?

[Multivital]

i know, pot/kettle/black. but the fact that he can't argue in an objective, non-personal manner without throwing insults at people obviously points to some brain injury or mental retardation, therefore i give up and resort to petty insults also.

bullshit. you're a psycho hosebeast of the first order and everyone knows it.

you don't even read what is written yet claim it wasn't objective.

I didn't ACTUALLY claim any of the things you and COP WIFE have been whining about - you just construed that from my posts.

If a bit of CAPS LOCK is all it takes to confuse you, well I can't say I am that surprised.

Piss off back to Vogue.

[R3450N]

Also, it might be worthwhile memorising all the Western Australia Police Rank insignia. It might turn things around, especially if you give them a masonic handshake too.

[frogman]

i know, pot/kettle/black. but the fact that he can't argue in an objective, non-personal manner without throwing insults at people obviously points to some brain injury or mental retardation, therefore i give up and resort to petty insults also.

He can, and he has. You just cant see it.

ha! no unfortunately I have wasted almost 2 hours this morning on this forum - I think I better do what I am being paid for.

ktxbai

For those playing along at home, there was never any hope of my points being responded to.

[Infinitude]

Chach: As am I however I thought that went without saying

Apparently Victoria's police force is the most corrupt in the world, but I imagine most cities/provinces would boast likewise (the London Met, NSW, Illanois etc).

Reading a fictional story in which a young girl (friend of a fhigh ranking police officer's daughter) is raped (by hitmen assigned by officers who see a conflict of interest) as a result of said commander's support of drug legislative reform may seem far-fetched, but I would say this is fairly reflective of how corrupt the force really is.

[Slurm]

This lot need to stop being such assholes to police officers to begin with.



Joe Dethridge , here only 17, had his jaw broken by the wonderful, peace-loving and altruistic sergeant. Look at all those other peace-loving, altruistic police standing around doing nothing.



I guess the minor shouldn't have been such an asshole to police to begin with.

There are literally hundreds of examples like this. On video. No charges laid.

You don't even have to look at the US police forces (cringe) to see where its all heading.

Of course, its all just a few bad eggs that spoil the basket right?

[Slurm]

Oh look, a homeless guy. What an asshole, if he wasn't so homeless, he'd have nothing to worry about eh?

[Multivital]

i know, pot/kettle/black. but the fact that he can't argue in an objective, non-personal manner without throwing insults at people obviously points to some brain injury or mental retardation, therefore i give up and resort to petty insults also.

also here's my first post

"after your offensive shit earlier in the thread you need to switch your brain on and realise that's why cops tend to end up as fucking violent karnts.

it's the 'criminals' they deal with that cause it, sure. but you need to realise that very few people join the police without enjoying the wielding of power over others and the more jaded they get, the more fucked up that gets.

get your husband out before he starts taking it out on you, or innocent people. he's not going to just wake up one day and decide the world is all rosy again. if he's already crossed that line severely, he probably just doesn't have the personality type to stay in that line of work without it twisting him.

plenty of other ways to earn money in this town. ask him why he wants to stay in a job that blackens his soul."

note the only offensive personal reference is 'turn your brain on' and after those first offensive posts of hers, I'd not be going to court over that.

aaaand here's your first post:


"you're the TS equivalent of the police force. heavy handed, know-it-all, overly prescriptive.

yes i'm sure her husband will start to "take it out on her" or worse yet, become so "soul blackened" by the whole thing that he'll snap and shoot up all of freo

you seriously are an idiot."

OH LOOK THE WHOLE FUCKING THING IS AN AD HOMINEM ATTACK

stop eating your lipstick, it is clearly full of lead.

[djqc]

What's the count on "taser deaths" compared to "gun deaths" since tasers have been introduced? I don't think it's the gun that one has to be worried about. Give a bit of lip though, and on the floor you go convulsing.... I think that tasers should be "policed" a lot better than they are.... But on the other hand, cops do need them these days because gone are the days of the 6 foot 2 burley copper. My mate just became an officer and he is the smallest bloke I know. He wasn't violent before, but now he "loves going to work coz he can fight and if the person fights back, he goes to jail haha" such a shame

[~Msv~]

hahaha oh my god, i got like 12 words into ravess's first comment and thought "dad's a cop". i was close! that's some textbook shit right there.

on what planet it is reasonable to say "well his job is really stressful, and he often sees the worst of people during the course of his employment. so of course sometimes some of them flip out and kill people. lucky their industry is set up so that that eventuality doesn't have many consequences, because then where would we be?"

The cops who killed the brazillian bloke received counselling. I wonder what the family will receive.

[Slurm]

God damned students!

[geisha]

Also, it might be worthwhile memorising all the Western Australia Police Rank insignia. It might turn things around, especially if you give them a masonic handshake too.

what does rank insignia mean?

i think y'all need to keep all this in perspective. there are police with far more power in some parts of the world where perpetrators are done away with and nobody ever hears from or sees them again. where complaining about, or even holding, an opposing opinion about the government/police is enough to get you locked up or a criminal record made up against you (yes, a totally fictional record).

the cops here may be a little heavy-handed at times, but there's a lot worse going on in other places.

[Slurm]

Oh shit, that girl is sitting in the park, GET HER LADS!

[R3450N]

The cops who killed the brazillian bloke received counselling. I wonder what the family will receive.

A jar of vegemite courtesy of the Australian Government?