Does this mean I came come round to your house, rape you, leave you a mess, bleeding on the floor, steal your money on the way out, and then suffer no consequences, because worse stuff happens overseas?
Trust me on this one. I know worse stuff happens overseas. I really really really dont want Australia to travel down that path. Hence, why its better we nip this shit in the bud before it gets to that stage.
You guys hold him down and I'll smash him
It's interesting how most of the people I know with "extreme" political views (no matter which side) are equally as cynical about the police force.
maybe when you're done sucking your way to the top in accountancy you could indeed join the police.
let's face it, your skill in accountancy is limited to 'how many blouse buttons do I leave undone when management is around?' so maybe a bit of ultraviolence in the cells could be your true calling?
Thing is, if we don't keep what's happening here in check, we could end up seeing the divide become a chasm, as has happened in the US and the UK.
The Victorian riot squad has tripld in size recently. Fkn awesome!!
Vic Police have their guns revealed, visibly, to the public.
I don't think this is right at all.
i like how yelling "STOP RESISTING" excuses just about any measure of violence
i also like how "non-lethal" tazers can be used not just on violent offenders, but those the cops take a disliking to
i also enjoy how when cops injure or kill people they're not held accountable because "they have a hard job"
is the job that hard that if they don't allow the occasional murder, no one will want to join up?
i'm not sure "come on, sign up, you can kill people" is the direction we want our justice team to take
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blacker than the blackest black
The necessity of a police force is an admission of a fundamental failure of a society.
“Start where you are, use what you have, do what you can."
do have to inform vicroads and they assess your ability to drive again.
sumdae i be big and u be sowry
I also think straining to make ravess' believe her husband IS GOING TO KILL YOU is totally out of order you god damned drama queens
blacker than the blackest black
i don't think he's going to kill her.
i do find it sad that she's trotted out almost every piece of cop apologist, victim blaming bullshit possible within only 2 pages, seemingly without any critical thought on the very real and demonstrable corruption and psychological degradation inherent in her husband's chosen profession.
sumdae i be big and u be sowry
geisha: heist and Slurm: dead riight!I would not be surprised at all if bipolar drivers had to at least disclose their condition to VicRoads. Any licencing matters are so incredibly regimented here (eg there's a keycard and a proof of age card - it's a shot in the dark as to whether or not any given institution, business or licenced venue recognises either).
The Police do an extremely tough job, I have had more encounters with good officers than bad.
There's no time for hatred only questions..
What is love? Where is happiness? What is life?
Where is peace?
^ You just linked in NWA - I lolled
~ No one has yet added up all the heavy, stress-filled workdays as well as the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of lives that are wasted to produce the world’s amusements. It is for this reason that “amusements” are not so amusing. ~
i know theres plenty of good ones, but fuck me ive had some really negative experiences with them which i just cant overlook. despite this, i dont push my opinion of them onto my kids, i still want them to believe theyre there to protect us..
Last time I was in WA the inspection officer commented that firstly my tattoos were shit and then he asked if they were a code or something on my skin.
I laughed at the shit comment, but I think he watched prison break and was inspired.
<awaiting cheesy Sting reference/joke>
I dont like the idea you cant protect yourself against a power-drunk 5-0, but can see why that's legally the case. Im remembering the crazy eye i got from a cop when i was parked near the 24 hour HJs at scabs to eat instead of driving and eat. That's enough to attract suspicion of...something. Just don't avoid their eyes. It's a common misconception that people look away when lying (they actually tend to hold eye contact to make sure their lie is working), but i have little doubt if i looked down he would've found that reason enough to get me out of my car.
To be constructive to the discussion at hand, i would like the opinions of what should be in place instead of police?
Robots? And don't take that as a joking response. Soon enough there'll be autonomous bots making decisions on people living or dying (terminator style)
My old man was a cop in London in the early sixties and my sister was a a cop in M E L B O U R N E in the late 80s/early 90s. Both are warm, loving, kind people that wanted to do good but had to leave after four years due to a mix of the difficulty of the job and wanting to avoid corruption.
The old man joined the force straight out of boarding school. Over the years he's told me a lot of stories, some which I cannot comprehend due to how shocking they were. They span from chasing a bloke with a gun down an alleyway who had shot someone, when he only had a batton (no guns those days), finding malnourished and abused children in cages under someone's house, having a gun pulled on him by a 13 year old boy, being the only cop in a bar fight and using a chair to fend off two guys with knives (lots of bar fight stories), cleaning up car accidents with decapitated occupants and then informing the families, or just straight-up having a dead baby thrown at him. Surprisingly, he said the worst of it was having to deal with domestic violence on a daily basis, where often women and children were regularly found so badly beaten they would spent months in hospital, only to return home to the father. The difficulty he always stressed to me was having to make on-the-spot decisions in really fucked up situations, and often getting them wrong, and then living with them for decades afterwards.
Corruption wise he's said he experienced beatings of criminals with telephone books for information and confessions and crims put into school lockers and thrown down flights of stairs, but was apparently lucky enough to avoid being put into a situation where he had to choose to participate. He never experienced any higher level corruption back then, but was sure it occurred.
He's told me he never enjoyed dishing out violence with the acception of a couple of occasions when he beat an abusive husband. This apparently changed him in a way he didnt like. So at 22 after four years as an Irish bobby in London with a speech impediment (fuck that), he hopped on a ship to Australia, slept under the stars, and shot rabbits and kangaroos for money. He says one of the best things he ever did was leave the police force.
My sister went into the force when she was 22 (she had her own daddy issues). She graduated sixth in her academy of 130 odd, and was first of the women (cadets?). She was stationed at Collingwood, which was essentially smackville in the late 80s, as at that stage it was one of only a handful of suburbs where heroin was rife before it spread everywhere in the 90s. Within 6 months of being on the job she was told by the head of her copshop she had too many morals for the job.
In her third year on the job her and her partner were on patrol one night when they picked up a drunk Vietnamese guy. Unprovoked, her partner then jumped in the back of the divvy van, beat the shit out of him, and put him in hospital. The family of the man then sued the police force. My sister was told to take the stand and explain her partner had no choice. She refused. Over several months the police shut her out - she was ostracised, threatened, manipulated and had her home broken into on several occasions. She almost had a full mental and physical breakdown due to this. She left on long-service sick leave and did not return or attend court.
I've spoken to them on many occasions about their experiences and they still have admiration for the police force despite the corruption they both experienced. That said, they are both disgusted in what they believe to be a growing culture of corruption and excessive force. Both of them believe most people go in with good intentions, but within 3-5 years of seeing the worst of society/human nature, they either leave, grow a thick skin, or become cold and very cynical of anyone who is not a part of the force. I assume for many this would just be a survival technique in a toxic job. Both believe an officers sense of empathy/caring is worn away from repetitive heartbreak and shock at the sad stories they experience on almost a daily basis. Also new police look to experienced police for guidance in how to deal with the shit they see and do, so any cultural values are inevitably passed on. Also, much like being forced to join a union at the docks, once you are in the force you accept being part of the family or you are not welcome.
Of course, these are only 2 stories from 2 cities - no doubt peoples experiences would vary.
Finally, a few years back I spoke with the father of one of my best mates who used to be one of the top 5 coppers in M E L B O U R N E and in charge of homicide. He told me since the introduction of meth around 2000 police work changed. The job became more unpredictable and dangerous - not so much right away, but in the years afterwards as psychosis became more common. This rings true to me as I've confirmed with several other police who are mates of mates. Also seen a couple of docos that confirm this too. Add to this the vast majority of violence that is caused by alcohol and it sounds like a piece-of-shit job.
My personal experiences with police have been mostly negative. My feelings range from hatred, anger and disgust, to sympathy and admiration.....but then again I feel that way most of the time about most people in western societies.
I agree with what is being said on here that there seems to be a trend of police brutality and heavy-handedness in recent years. If anyone has any good stats I'd be interested to see how much of an increase there has been (not easy stats to get). I wonder how significant the rise is, and whether maybe we are just more aware of it given the interwebs/youtube etc.
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