The Police

[Multivital]

what does rank insignia mean?

i think y'all need to keep all this in perspective. there are police with far more power in some parts of the world where perpetrators are done away with and nobody ever hears from or sees them again. where complaining about, or even holding, an opposing opinion about the government/police is enough to get you locked up or a criminal record made up against you (yes, a totally fictional record).

the cops here may be a little heavy-handed at times, but there's a lot worse going on in other places.

and how the fuck do you think it gets that way?

oh that's right, by lots of ditzy fuckers like you rationalising why excessive force is sometimes OK!

THE STUPID, SO MUCH STUPID, IT FUCKING BURRRRNNNNNSSSSSS

[R3450N]

what does rank insignia mean?

i think y'all need to keep all this in perspective. there are police with far more power in some parts of the world where perpetrators are done away with and nobody ever hears from or sees them again. where complaining about, or even holding, an opposing opinion about the government/police is enough to get you locked up or a criminal record made up against you (yes, a totally fictional record).

the cops here may be a little heavy-handed at times, but there's a lot worse going on in other places.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_police_ranks

[geisha]

also here's my first post

"after your offensive shit earlier in the thread you need to switch your brain on and realise that's why cops tend to end up as fucking violent karnts.

it's the 'criminals' they deal with that cause it, sure. but you need to realise that very few people join the police without enjoying the wielding of power over others and the more jaded they get, the more fucked up that gets.

get your husband out before he starts taking it out on you, or innocent people. he's not going to just wake up one day and decide the world is all rosy again. if he's already crossed that line severely, he probably just doesn't have the personality type to stay in that line of work without it twisting him.

plenty of other ways to earn money in this town. ask him why he wants to stay in a job that blackens his soul."

note the only offensive personal reference is 'turn your brain on' and after those first offensive posts of hers, I'd not be going to court over that.

aaaand here's your first post:


"you're the TS equivalent of the police force. heavy handed, know-it-all, overly prescriptive.

yes i'm sure her husband will start to "take it out on her" or worse yet, become so "soul blackened" by the whole thing that he'll snap and shoot up all of freo

you seriously are an idiot."

OH LOOK THE WHOLE FUCKING THING IS AN AD HOMINEM ATTACK

stop eating your lipstick, it is clearly full of lead.

i enjoy wielding power over people. maybe i should've joined the boys in blue and taken out a bit of my pent-up rage against you in some dodgy CCTV footage jail cell attack. i'd rather enjoy launching my baton into your generous gut.

[~Msv~]

A jar of vegemite courtesy of the Australian Government?

As long as its dick smith branded then that is good enough.

[frogman]

what does rank insignia mean?

i think y'all need to keep all this in perspective. there are police with far more power in some parts of the world where perpetrators are done away with and nobody ever hears from or sees them again. where complaining about, or even holding, an opposing opinion about the government/police is enough to get you locked up or a criminal record made up against you (yes, a totally fictional record).

the cops here may be a little heavy-handed at times, but there's a lot worse going on in other places.

I have had this discussion in other forums, and people have told me lines that cop apologists use. Grats, you just used another one.

Does this mean I came come round to your house, rape you, leave you a mess, bleeding on the floor, steal your money on the way out, and then suffer no consequences, because worse stuff happens overseas?

Trust me on this one. I know worse stuff happens overseas. I really really really dont want Australia to travel down that path. Hence, why its better we nip this shit in the bud before it gets to that stage.

[Chach]

You guys hold him down and I'll smash him

[R3450N]

It's interesting how most of the people I know with "extreme" political views (no matter which side) are equally as cynical about the police force.

[Multivital]

i enjoy wielding power over people. maybe i should've joined the boys in blue and taken out a bit of my pent-up rage against you in some dodgy CCTV footage jail cell attack. i'd rather enjoy launching my baton into your generous gut.

that's a piss poor way to make an apology for fucking up and starting a slanging match.

maybe when you're done sucking your way to the top in accountancy you could indeed join the police.

let's face it, your skill in accountancy is limited to 'how many blouse buttons do I leave undone when management is around?' so maybe a bit of ultraviolence in the cells could be your true calling?

[Infinitude]

Thing is, if we don't keep what's happening here in check, we could end up seeing the divide become a chasm, as has happened in the US and the UK.

The Victorian riot squad has tripld in size recently. Fkn awesome!!

[R3450N]

Thing is, if we don't keep what's happening here in check, we could end up seeing the divide become a chasm, as has happened in the US and the UK.

The Victorian riot squad has tripld in size recently. Fkn awesome!!

If only they could have their badges hang onto the end of a gun barrel to save them some time... before shooting someone. Plus it'd be a constant reminder to the public of what they're here for.

[Infinitude]

Vic Police have their guns revealed, visibly, to the public.

I don't think this is right at all.

[Multivital]

Thing is, if we don't keep what's happening here in check, we could end up seeing the divide become a chasm, as has happened in the US and the UK.

The Victorian riot squad has tripld in size recently. Fkn awesome!!

yeah awesome - they can beat the shit out of more teenage female OWS Protesters while copping a feel!

KEEPING FREEDOM FREE

[R3450N]

Vic Police have their guns revealed, visibly, to the public.

I don't think this is right at all.

I heard in Victoria if you have something like bipolar it has to be shown on your driver's licence. That must suck.

[dart]

i enjoy wielding power over people. maybe i should've joined the boys in blue and taken out a bit of my pent-up rage against you in some dodgy CCTV footage jail cell attack. i'd rather enjoy launching my baton into your generous gut.

don't ever change

[dart]

Vic Police have their guns revealed, visibly, to the public.

I don't think this is right at all.

does it make you feel uncomfortable?

[geisha]

Vic Police have their guns revealed, visibly, to the public.

I don't think this is right at all.

i like looking at a cop's big gun.

[chay]

The Victorian riot squad has tripld in size recently. Fkn awesome!!

and they are "training" them by simply sending them out instead of beat cops to large public events like NYE

[heist]

i like how yelling "STOP RESISTING" excuses just about any measure of violence

i also like how "non-lethal" tazers can be used not just on violent offenders, but those the cops take a disliking to

i also enjoy how when cops injure or kill people they're not held accountable because "they have a hard job"


is the job that hard that if they don't allow the occasional murder, no one will want to join up?

i'm not sure "come on, sign up, you can kill people" is the direction we want our justice team to take

[kantankruz]

[Slurm]

The necessity of a police force is an admission of a fundamental failure of a society.

[chay]

I heard in Victoria if you have something like bipolar it has to be shown on your driver's licence. That must suck.

h'uh. i did not know this. it's not shown on your drivers license, but you do have to inform vicroads and they assess your ability to drive again.

[heist]

I also think straining to make ravess' believe her husband IS GOING TO KILL YOU is totally out of order you god damned drama queens

[R3450N]

h'uh. i did not know this. it's not shown on your drivers license, but you do have to inform vicroads and they assess your ability to drive again.

It was a girl from here that told me this. I never checked that up though, nor do I really care. Considering I don't live there and don't plan on getting a licence

[Multivital]

I also think straining to make ravess' believe her husband IS GOING TO KILL YOU is totally out of order you god damned drama queens

yeah, because that is exactly what was said.

[frogman]

I also think straining to make ravess' believe her husband IS GOING TO KILL YOU is totally out of order you god damned drama queens

Please quote the posts where this was said.

[chay]

i don't think he's going to kill her.

i do find it sad that she's trotted out almost every piece of cop apologist, victim blaming bullshit possible within only 2 pages, seemingly without any critical thought on the very real and demonstrable corruption and psychological degradation inherent in her husband's chosen profession.

[Infinitude]

geisha: heist and Slurm: dead riight!I would not be surprised at all if bipolar drivers had to at least disclose their condition to VicRoads. Any licencing matters are so incredibly regimented here (eg there's a keycard and a proof of age card - it's a shot in the dark as to whether or not any given institution, business or licenced venue recognises either).

[aleks]

The Police do an extremely tough job, I have had more encounters with good officers than bad.

[hArDcOrE rAvEsS]

i don't think he's going to kill her.

i do find it sad that she's trotted out almost every piece of cop apologist, victim blaming bullshit possible within only 2 pages, seemingly without any critical thought on the very real and demonstrable corruption and psychological degradation inherent in her husband's chosen profession.

Oh I do realise this.. believe me.
But alas, I am just a jaded cops wife.

[Psyche]

[BLEGH!]

^ You just linked in NWA - I lolled

[kantankruz]

[Chach]

The Police do an extremely tough job, I have had more encounters with good officers than bad.

As a budding legal eagle, would you say your experience was evidence?

[sidez]

As long as they keep the hippies in line then I'm happy

[Psyche]

^ You just linked in NWA - I lolled

Cool story bruv

[OSC]

http://video.perthnow.com.au/1415788...punch-on-video

6ft 3' cop versus 5ft 5' guy

[Deej]

I haven't had many dealing with the po-po, but when I have, they have been arrogant cunts. The older blokes I have met have been alright though. That said, I wouldn't be a copper for all the money in the world, fuck that!

[badr]

i was really upset by the whole thing as they make you out to be some kind of terrorist threat. very unnecessary and they were so surly too.

I feel for you. I've had some crazy experiances with airport staff in WA, worse than JFK airport, If the US assumed I was a terrorist and wary of me, WA authorities have me doing a dance and show to prove I'm not in WA to destroy Australia and it's values.

[heist]

I feel for you. I've had some crazy experiances with airport staff in WA, worse than JFK airport, If the US assumed I was a terrorist and wary of me, WA authorities have me doing a dance and show to prove I'm not in WA to destroy Australia and it's values.

Freedom!


at least we don't have the TSA

...yet

[flauntster]

i know theres plenty of good ones, but fuck me ive had some really negative experiences with them which i just cant overlook. despite this, i dont push my opinion of them onto my kids, i still want them to believe theyre there to protect us..

..

[badr]

Freedom!


at least we don't have the TSA

...yet

trust me its quite bad, dress down in JFK they never questioned anything about my arm/leg/chest

Last time I was in WA the inspection officer commented that firstly my tattoos were shit and then he asked if they were a code or something on my skin.

I laughed at the shit comment, but I think he watched prison break and was inspired.

[Onijin]

<awaiting cheesy Sting reference/joke>

[heist]

trust me its quite bad, dress down in JFK they never questioned anything about my arm/leg/chest

Last time I was in WA the inspection officer commented that firstly my tattoos were shit and then he asked if they were a code or something on my skin.

I laughed at the shit comment, but I think he watched prison break and was inspired.

christ. that's ball city.

if you felt like kickin' off i'm sure you could make a complaint?

[heist]

<awaiting cheesy Sting reference/joke>

you'll just have to wait!


...wait that was phil

[badr]

i know theres plenty of good ones, but fuck me ive had some really negative experiences with them which i just cant overlook. despite this, i dont push my opinion of them onto my kids, i still want them to believe theyre there to protect us..

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read prior to edit, harsh man :/

[Chach]

http://video.perthnow.com.au/1415788...punch-on-video

6ft 3' cop versus 5ft 5' guy

That's fucking pathetic, obviously until the security tape showed up the cop was not only happy to kick the fuck out of him but also happy to pervert the course of justice with his bullshit assaulting an officer charge, and he's so stupid that his defense is the guy is drunk and abusive and they had a zero tolerance approach that night.

[brooa]

calling phetsta to the thread. he had a run in a while ago with cops, i wonder what the outcome was?

[nosaj D:]

I dont like the idea you cant protect yourself against a power-drunk 5-0, but can see why that's legally the case. Im remembering the crazy eye i got from a cop when i was parked near the 24 hour HJs at scabs to eat instead of driving and eat. That's enough to attract suspicion of...something. Just don't avoid their eyes. It's a common misconception that people look away when lying (they actually tend to hold eye contact to make sure their lie is working), but i have little doubt if i looked down he would've found that reason enough to get me out of my car.

To be constructive to the discussion at hand, i would like the opinions of what should be in place instead of police?
Robots? And don't take that as a joking response. Soon enough there'll be autonomous bots making decisions on people living or dying (terminator style)

[Infinitude]

^ "Grand theft tobacco, awwww yeah".

[monkey]

My old man was a cop in London in the early sixties and my sister was a a cop in M E L B O U R N E in the late 80s/early 90s. Both are warm, loving, kind people that wanted to do good but had to leave after four years due to a mix of the difficulty of the job and wanting to avoid corruption.

The old man joined the force straight out of boarding school. Over the years he's told me a lot of stories, some which I cannot comprehend due to how shocking they were. They span from chasing a bloke with a gun down an alleyway who had shot someone, when he only had a batton (no guns those days), finding malnourished and abused children in cages under someone's house, having a gun pulled on him by a 13 year old boy, being the only cop in a bar fight and using a chair to fend off two guys with knives (lots of bar fight stories), cleaning up car accidents with decapitated occupants and then informing the families, or just straight-up having a dead baby thrown at him. Surprisingly, he said the worst of it was having to deal with domestic violence on a daily basis, where often women and children were regularly found so badly beaten they would spent months in hospital, only to return home to the father. The difficulty he always stressed to me was having to make on-the-spot decisions in really fucked up situations, and often getting them wrong, and then living with them for decades afterwards.
Corruption wise he's said he experienced beatings of criminals with telephone books for information and confessions and crims put into school lockers and thrown down flights of stairs, but was apparently lucky enough to avoid being put into a situation where he had to choose to participate. He never experienced any higher level corruption back then, but was sure it occurred.
He's told me he never enjoyed dishing out violence with the acception of a couple of occasions when he beat an abusive husband. This apparently changed him in a way he didnt like. So at 22 after four years as an Irish bobby in London with a speech impediment (fuck that), he hopped on a ship to Australia, slept under the stars, and shot rabbits and kangaroos for money. He says one of the best things he ever did was leave the police force.

My sister went into the force when she was 22 (she had her own daddy issues). She graduated sixth in her academy of 130 odd, and was first of the women (cadets?). She was stationed at Collingwood, which was essentially smackville in the late 80s, as at that stage it was one of only a handful of suburbs where heroin was rife before it spread everywhere in the 90s. Within 6 months of being on the job she was told by the head of her copshop she had too many morals for the job.
In her third year on the job her and her partner were on patrol one night when they picked up a drunk Vietnamese guy. Unprovoked, her partner then jumped in the back of the divvy van, beat the shit out of him, and put him in hospital. The family of the man then sued the police force. My sister was told to take the stand and explain her partner had no choice. She refused. Over several months the police shut her out - she was ostracised, threatened, manipulated and had her home broken into on several occasions. She almost had a full mental and physical breakdown due to this. She left on long-service sick leave and did not return or attend court.

I've spoken to them on many occasions about their experiences and they still have admiration for the police force despite the corruption they both experienced. That said, they are both disgusted in what they believe to be a growing culture of corruption and excessive force. Both of them believe most people go in with good intentions, but within 3-5 years of seeing the worst of society/human nature, they either leave, grow a thick skin, or become cold and very cynical of anyone who is not a part of the force. I assume for many this would just be a survival technique in a toxic job. Both believe an officers sense of empathy/caring is worn away from repetitive heartbreak and shock at the sad stories they experience on almost a daily basis. Also new police look to experienced police for guidance in how to deal with the shit they see and do, so any cultural values are inevitably passed on. Also, much like being forced to join a union at the docks, once you are in the force you accept being part of the family or you are not welcome.

Of course, these are only 2 stories from 2 cities - no doubt peoples experiences would vary.

Finally, a few years back I spoke with the father of one of my best mates who used to be one of the top 5 coppers in M E L B O U R N E and in charge of homicide. He told me since the introduction of meth around 2000 police work changed. The job became more unpredictable and dangerous - not so much right away, but in the years afterwards as psychosis became more common. This rings true to me as I've confirmed with several other police who are mates of mates. Also seen a couple of docos that confirm this too. Add to this the vast majority of violence that is caused by alcohol and it sounds like a piece-of-shit job.

My personal experiences with police have been mostly negative. My feelings range from hatred, anger and disgust, to sympathy and admiration.....but then again I feel that way most of the time about most people in western societies.

I agree with what is being said on here that there seems to be a trend of police brutality and heavy-handedness in recent years. If anyone has any good stats I'd be interested to see how much of an increase there has been (not easy stats to get). I wonder how significant the rise is, and whether maybe we are just more aware of it given the interwebs/youtube etc.