The Police

[Onijin]

Has it occured to you that maybe he doesn't actually believe what he is doing is wrong?Plenty of people in "our" scene have gone through this and come out the other end, and I doubt very much the police harassment and media hounding him is helping the situation

Didn't really think that much of it in the first place, but yeah, could be the case. I'll be honest, I've been held up by an addict years ago when I was working nightshift at BP, so being on the receiving end of it, my views are biased somewhat.

[Chach]

That's stretching it a little bit isn't it ? Food is a NEED to survive. Crack isn't a NEED to survive (though it might translate that way when you're coming down)

no it's not a stretch, those happy feelings you get when you're chowing down cream cakes all happen in the same part of the brain.

[heist]

this is about owning?

I just assumed you were bored and lonely and couldn't find the PM button to have a chat.

otherwise why else would you have derailed this thread?

huh? to recap:

you: stfu
me: no u
you: <lost your shit>

you derailed the god damned thread not me.

[neonknome]

Didn't really think that much of it in the first place, but yeah, could be the case. I'll be honest, I've been held up by an addict years ago when I was working nightshift at BP, so being on the receiving end of it, my views are biased somewhat.

yeah fair call eh, all addicts are robbers, all robbers are a threat to you

[BLEGH!]

no it's not a stretch, those happy feelings you get when you're chowing down cream cakes all happen in the same part of the brain.

Mmmmmm, cream cakes.......
Did you know that the donut place in Karrinyup food court make fresh hot cinnamon donuts while you wait - 90secs !!
That was just a lil fyi.

Its all just happy endorphins ain't it though - like going to the gym ?

I spose my point is - even though you get that euphoric feeling/ adrenalin rush from bunji jumping or jumping out of a plane - you wouldn't do it without a harness.

[BLEGH!]

yeah fair call eh, all addicts are robbers, all robbers are a threat to you

eeeeeeeeasy there tiger.
I don't think thats what Onion was saying at all.

[Chach]

Mmmmmm, cream cakes....... Did you know that the donut place in Karrinyup food court make fresh hot cinnamon donuts while you wait - 90secs !! That was just a lil fyi. Its all just happy endorphins ain't it though - like going to the gym ? I spose my point is - even though you get that euphoric feeling/ adrenalin rush from bunji jumping or jumping out of a plane - you wouldn't do it without a harness.

I don't get up karrinyup way much anymore but when I do I make a special stop to go to that donut shop for the warmies. True story.The bungee analogy doesn't work because certain death isn't included when you have a cheeky gurn.

[Multivital]

huh? to recap:

you: stfu
me: no u
you: <lost your shit>

you derailed the god damned thread not me.

hmm let's see, thread discussion is about addiction/mental illness, let's find the first post that starts crapping about something else...

throwing tantrums is not helpful. further the discussion or stfu

oh, a whine about posting styles!

LOOK AT THAT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT TO YOUR VIEW OF REALITY

Still denying reality in order to keep your air of self righteous prickery going I see

I sure hope your white knighting has at least got you a pity root or two over the years, sheesh.

Let it go now princess.

[Satan]

I spose my point is - even though you get that euphoric feeling/ adrenalin rush from bunji jumping or jumping out of a plane - you wouldn't do it without a harness.

I'll pay for you to jump from a plane wearing a bungee harness

[Multivital]

Its all just happy endorphins ain't it though - like going to the gym ?

I spose my point is - even though you get that euphoric feeling/ adrenalin rush from bunji jumping or jumping out of a plane - you wouldn't do it without a harness.

That's a good point all things considered.

However if you were ADDICTED to bungee jumping then yes you would, you'd jump with just the bungee and no safety.

That's what makes the difference between addiction to something and 'liking it a lot' - the self-endangering aspect.

[chay]

Didn't really think that much of it in the first place, but yeah, could be the case. I'll be honest, I've been held up by an addict years ago when I was working nightshift at BP, so being on the receiving end of it, my views are biased somewhat.

no sweety. we've done this several times over on TS before.

just because a black kid stole your friend's wallet this one time, does not make your prejudice against aboriginals receiving welfare actually valid.

(p.s. hai sneeza! good talk <3)

[nosaj D:]

No, but it does make him more likely to look for evidence to justify this outlook, and this evidence may have validity. The fact he admits he's biased is a step in the right direction however

[chay]

No, but it does make him more likely to look for evidence to justify this outlook

and this is wrong, so he should stop doing it?

[nosaj D:]

I would say it's natural. Condemn the act before the individual, and the individual definitely before their associates, but this isn't how people think. Him admitting his bias is like an addict admitting they have a problem, being the first step to recovery.
If you bag out someone every time they admit they have a problem they will be less likely to talk about the problem.

[Chach]

If we were still hunter gatherers it may have some validity, not in the west in 2012

[Onijin]

no sweety. we've done this several times over on TS before.

just because a black kid stole your friend's wallet this one time, does not make your prejudice against aboriginals receiving welfare actually valid.

(p.s. hai sneeza! good talk <3)

Check your PMs.

[Hoser]

I find it amusing how everyone has a snide, cunty remark for onijin and he never bites back.

[Onijin]

I find it amusing how everyone has a snide, cunty remark for onijin and he never bites back.

Yeah, it's tempting to shoot back at times, but tends to get them riled up even further.

[Chach]

Onion's alright

[c_avdas]

I just don't like his posting style

[Satan]

I don't like his back hair

[BLEGH!]

Leave Onion alone!

[chay]

I would say it's natural. Condemn the act before the individual, and the individual definitely before their associates, but this isn't how people think. Him admitting his bias is like an addict admitting they have a problem, being the first step to recovery.
If you bag out someone every time they admit they have a problem they will be less likely to talk about the problem.

i'm not bagging him out, i'm disagreeing with his logic. admitting the problem as the first step isn't helpful if the next step is just "therefore my prejudice is justified and i need not think about it further, THE END"

[chay]

I find it amusing how everyone has a snide, cunty remark for onijin and he never bites back.

genuinely was not trying to be snide, nor cunty :\

[Hoser]

genuinely was not trying to be snide, nor cunty :\

It's telling you think I was referring to you.

[Multivital]

It's telling you think I was referring to you.

It is indeed.

It shows that Chay has an overblown concern that she might offend and that you have an overblown opinion of your own perceptiveness.

[~Msv~]

Mmmmmm, cream cakes.......
Did you know that the donut place in Karrinyup food court make fresh hot cinnamon donuts while you wait - 90secs !!
That was just a lil fyi.

Its all just happy endorphins ain't it though - like going to the gym ?

A donut shop makes FRESH donuts?
Mind blown...

[flauntster]

now now skeeter, onijin ain't hurtin' nobody

[VERSTYLE]

Didn't really think that much of it in the first place, but yeah, could be the case. I'll be honest, I've been held up by an addict years ago when I was working nightshift at BP, so being on the receiving end of it, my views are biased somewhat.

The fact that your thought processors are drawn from personal experiences is pretty god damm common, having the decency to make an admission of it is far less common, i applaud that. Furthermore, if it's indeed proven that there's a strong link between drug abuse and aggravated robbery *hint, there is* then is you opinion biased or are your perceptions perhaps justified? if so, how much so?

I had my fair share of illicit indulgence when i was younger and i kicked around with plenty of people with addiction issues including for more nasty stuff like meth and smack. Quite frankly, if i knew someone was heavily addicted to either of those drugs (or in fact any other drug, alcohol included) i'd be much more diligent around them, i don't think anyone should be ridiculed for a basic sense of self- preservation.

While i'm chucking my 5p worth in, hai burnie... i've flicked through this thread whilst on holiday and yet again you've proven how much of a cunt you really are. I don't agree with Hardcore whatever her name was but inferring that her husband will eventually beat her is complete dogshit, that's just as bad as some redneck suggesting that only koons shoplift as their lifestyles of abuse and unemployment become further entrenched.

[BLEGH!]

i don't think anyone should be ridiculed for a basic sense of self- preservation.

This.

[Multivital]

The fact that your thought processors are drawn from personal experiences is pretty god damm common, having the decency to make an admission of it is far less common, i applaud that. Furthermore, if it's indeed proven that there's a strong link between drug abuse and aggravated robbery *hint, there is* then is you opinion biased or are your perceptions perhaps justified? if so, how much so?

I had my fair share of illicit indulgence when i was younger and i kicked around with plenty of people with addiction issues including for more nasty stuff like meth and smack. Quite frankly, if i knew someone was heavily addicted to either of those drugs (or in fact any other drug, alcohol included) i'd be much more diligent around them, i don't think anyone should be ridiculed for a basic sense of self- preservation.

While i'm chucking my 5p worth in, hai burnie... i've flicked through this thread whilst on holiday and yet again you've proven how much of a cunt you really are. I don't agree with Hardcore whatever her name was but inferring that her husband will eventually beat her is complete dogshit, that's just as bad as some redneck suggesting that only koons shoplift as their lifestyles of abuse and unemployment become further entrenched.

but it's A-OK for her to infer her hubby and his mates can happily beat the shit out of nig nogs and hippies because ITS A HARD LIFE BEING A COP AMIRITE!!!

fuck off you tweaker. your high school pseudo intellectualism is painful.

EVERYONE'S PROCESSES COME FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE YOU HALFWIT

IT'S JUST THAT RACISTS/BIGOTS TRY AND JUSTIFY PEJORATIVELY APPLYING THAT TO BROAD CLASSES OF SKIN TONE/MENTAL ILLNESS

NOT SAYING THATS WHAT YOUR DOING HEY BUT YOU KNOW

[Multivital]

This.

no, not this.

I've been beaten up by aboriginals in my past.

I don't flip the fuck out whenever I see one.

And if I am being followed in a dark alleyway, I don't assume that the colour of someone's skin has any relevance to their intentions.

[~Msv~]

And if I am being followed in a dark alleyway, I don't assume that the colour of someone's skin has any relevance to their intentions.

You're one of very few I suspect. If you can honestly sit there and say if you were walking home at night along a quiet street by yourself and a group of 'dark skinned' men were following you, and the thought didnt even cross your mind that you may get the shit kicked out of you, then I take my hat off to thee.
But I think you are full of shit.

[BLEGH!]

no, not this.

I've been beaten up by aboriginals in my past.

I don't flip the fuck out whenever I see one.

And if I am being followed in a dark alleyway, I don't assume that the colour of someone's skin has any relevance to their intentions.

You are rather extremist - no one was saying 'flip out' but everyone has varying degrees of self preservation.

[chay]

prejudice and self-preservation are not the same thing, you guys

self-preservation: "oh shit, there's a group of youths following me down this dark alley. i will walk a bit faster and get to a more well lit area"

prejudice: "oh shit, there's a group of youths following me down this dark alley. i will walk a bit faster because they are darkies"

[heist]

why are you prejudiced against youth chay

[chay]

why are you prejudiced against youth chay

haha i KNEW someone would pick that up

well played, sir.

[heist]

that kind of prejudice just lets the REAL perpetrators get away scot free

i propose curfews for dark alleyways


also what's the deal with people ripping on the scots just because they like a bargain

[BLEGH!]

prejudice and self-preservation are not the same thing, you guys

self-preservation: "oh shit, there's a group of youths following me down this dark alley. i will walk a bit faster and get to a more well lit area"

prejudice: "oh shit, there's a group of youths following me down this dark alley. i will walk a bit faster because they are darkies"

For a start I personally wouldn't be walking down a dark alley and yes if any group were following me I'd be bolting.

There is prejudice of making rash assumptions, there is self-preservation.

You might call it prejudice I think Chay, but I also think there is being wary of certain types of people especially after something bad has happened to you which goes toward self preservation.

Something bad happens to you and it tends to bend your mind to think of that 'stereotype' a certain way. Not only ethnicity but people can have 'daddy issues', 'mummy issues' - is that being prejudice too ?

^ I think I may have just repeated myself but thats coz I don't have a fancy 'internet vocabulary' with which to express myself.

[heist]

i think yer talking around shit

point is it's ok to avoid dodgy people (after 3am this includes just about anyone), or to be hyper-vigilant in the case of finding yourself in dangerous circumstances (after 3am this includes just about anywhere)

it's not ok to assume all black people are dodgy, because you once met a dodgy black man

[chay]

i think yer talking around shit

point is it's ok to avoid dodgy people, or to be hyper-vigilant in the case of finding yourself in dangerous circumstances

it's not ok to assume all black people are dodgy, because you once met a dodgy black man

thankyou, yes

[Curare]

i think yer talking around shit

point is it's ok to avoid dodgy people (after 3am this includes just about anyone), or to be hyper-vigilant in the case of finding yourself in dangerous circumstances (after 3am this includes just about anywhere)

it's not ok to assume all black people are dodgy, because you once met a dodgy black man

What if the 9 times you meet "youths" they throw ice at you or race RC cars around you in the morning?

Surely then you should be vigilant around "youths" at all times, and pre-emptive strikes are not out of the question, are they?

[heist]

What if the 9 times you meet "youths" they throw ice at you or race RC cars around you in the morning?

Surely then you should be vigilant around "youths" at all times, and pre-emptive strikes are not out of the question, are they?

context counts though.. if you've met "youths" only 9 times, and each time they behaved exactly the same way towards you, it was probably within the same context (location, time, etc.)

remove that context, and the interaction will alter

[frogman]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-0...harges/3927296

[heist]

"M

atthew Giles was repeatedly punched by Constable Thomas Murdoch during a Big Bash match"

-straight face-




"Police have wrapped up their investigation into Constable Murdoch and are refusing to say whether he will face any action."

how do they have the right to refuse? national security? terrorism? inherent corruption?

[Multivital]

You're one of very few I suspect. If you can honestly sit there and say if you were walking home at night along a quiet street by yourself and a group of 'dark skinned' men were following you, and the thought didnt even cross your mind that you may get the shit kicked out of you, then I take my hat off to thee.
But I think you are full of shit.

You would think that, because you are a muppet.

As Heist adroitly pointed out, it's not skin colour, it's the fact anyone is shadowing you at 3am.

I used to be *somewhat* active in the Perth nightclub scene and dodginess was never far away - skin colour tended to be at the bottom of the list of motivations.

[frogman]

how do they have the right to refuse? national security? terrorism? inherent corruption?

That is a very good question. Can you find out the answer?

[flauntster]

I used to be *somewhat* active in the Perth nightclub scene and dodginess was never far away - skin colour tended to be at the bottom of the list of motivations.

true that, chav scum come in all colours innit

[heist]

That is a very good question. Can you find out the answer?

i've no idea where to start

at the moment i suspect because it's internal discipline and not criminal proceedings


which is an interesting thing.

after all, when i relentlessly pummel somebody without provocation i don't benefit from "internal discipline"


... but, at the moment it's just an assumption.

[frisky]

Of all the 'drugs' out there - the only drug that cannot be 'cold turkeyed' is alcohol. Go figure!

Not true. If you're drinking about 1 bottle of spirits per day and in reasonable good health, withdrawl symptoms are very uncomfortable but not life threatening (hot & cold sweats & flushes, itchiness, agitation, shaking, hearing sounds that are not there, insomnia, cramps, cravings etc. for about 48 hrs). More than 1 bottle of spirits/day or not in good health then ceasing alcohol combined with diazepam (valium) to control withdrawl symptoms would be recommended. But if you are at that level a medically supervised withdrawl is most appropriate as death or brain damage from DTs is a real possibility.

As far as alcoholism goes, and I'm sure other addictions are similar, there are two parts, physical & mental. The physical aspect of alcoholism is the phenomenom of craving, which sets in after the alcoholic has one drink, and the body demands more. In fact the more alcohol drunk, the stronger the cravings - this has been proven in that in the metabolic pathway of ethanol breakdown alcoholics have less of the enzyme to process acetone (one of the intermediates) than normal people. Thus, acetone builds up in the system, and it has been proven that the acetone is responsible for the craving. Thus, the more alcohol drunk, the more acetone builds up and the stronger the craving for more alcohol.

The mental aspect is that even when an alcoholic has a full understanding of the phenomenon of craving and the serious consequences of drinking (to finances, relationships, health, etc.), there will come a time when even though 100% sober, the decision is made to have that first drink. This is the fucked up part of the disease, that it always fools the rational part of the mind into thinking that "this time" the results of drinking will be different.