The Police

[Kevin]

"Listen Sonny, I shot dozens of your ilk in North Africa. But I'll play your game. Get me a lawyer or let me go. Either way, I have your number. This isn't finished."What a champ. I wonder if he was a Rat of Tobruk.

Sounds like a racist

[nosaj D:]

Sounds like a racist

He already explained that. He said he was old, remember?

[Chach]

Sounds like a racist

I thought it an odd comment from Slurm, but if the guard was german its perfectly warranted

[Slurm]

North Africa is where the diggers were sent to fight the fascists.

I think he was inferring the officer was a fascist or nazi.

Look up Tobruk, World War Two, Rats of.

[Chach]

what flavour was the guard?

He wasn't chocolate was he?

[Slurm]

Aryan-ripple

[Onijin]

You're not a cunt at all and I never said that. What I did say (I thought I made this emphasis thing clear?) was that there's a fair level of idiocy in the comments being directed at me considering the nature of the internet. Who's copying who when you post pictures to be funny? That's just 1 example of the billions upon billions of examples of socially adopted habits in both the internet and in literally every single facet of real social life. Hired Goon would have to be the only human being to have ever existed to not be copying some form of adopted habit if his comments stand as valid, and tbh, I highly doubt that.1 of my crowning achievements on Teknoscape is having hitmonlee add words I frequently used to the "automatic spell correcting" list when I first started. And the mewn? Gimme a break, who do these guys think they are? All I'm seeing is a couple of envious little twats upset nobody is "copying" their methods and projecting their butt hurtedness towards burnside against me and it's getting old and boring already quite frankly. I'd be lying out of my arse if I said there weren't habits I've picked up from burnside, like changing my opinions on race, and for that I'll forever be indebted to the man's intellect. If being able to see the hypocrisy of everyone's words and the idiocy of their arguments and debates is a bad thing to some, then so be it. But that's not something I regret in the least bit. I'm more confident and self assured now than I ever was in my life and that's partly due to the many realizations I've achieved through the internet, teknoscape included. If there were more Slurm's and Burnsides in this world it would be an infinitely better place for everyone, and if that makes me a copy cat then once again, so be it. Cudos to them for expressing their love for others by trying to help them, and shame on the rest of you for constantly being stuck in the primitive mindsets of ego-driven thought patterns. Some can call it arse kissing, I call it acknowledging the intellect of someone older and wiser than me, something I've always attempted to filter throughout my life. Fuck yeah, good on them for standing up for what they believe in. Takes more courage than the arm-chair economists who claim they need to get a job will ever, ever have. One thing that I've tried to take into account when I had an argument / debate when it was me against my father, 4 of my uncles and a grandfather-in-law is that these folk are just the "trouble makers" of the nyoongars and that there are trouble makers in every region of society. What are your thoughts on that? The media has represented them as nothing short of the above, and it does make sense considering a large majority of them are in agreeance with the deal, but I'm also of the opinion that there are still equally large numbers who don't like it 1 bit but simply lack the courage or will to protest against them given our governments handling of indigenous affairs since the inception of our colony.Splinter- as I said, taken on board. Given that I was a stoner for the better part of the last 4 years while living out of home, I'm satisfied and OK with the comments and appreciate them and take it on board. If it means more people will listen to whatWay I have to say I'd be a fool not to take it on board, and I'm no fool I'm home now, my mind is clean and my soul is exploding

Don't have a problem with the content, just the way it's delivered with excessive waffling. People who try to argue their point of view succinctly and without going off on 5 million different tangents tend to get my attention and what they say is taken into serious consideration., People who do the opposite tend to be ignored by me. Make of that what you will.

[neonknome]

Don't have a problem with the content, just the way it's delivered with excessive waffling. People who try to argue their point of view succinctly and without going off on 5 million different tangents tend to get my attention and what they say is taken into serious consideration., People who do the opposite tend to be ignored by me. Make of that what you will.

:LOLOLOLOLOLOL:

[Slurm]

Waffen-SS Cream Commotion

[Slurm]

delivered with excessive waffling.

Do you wonder why 98% of your posts over the years have been completely ignored by everyone?

Make of that what you will.

[c_avdas]

Do you wonder why 98% of your posts over the years have been completely ignored by everyone?

Make of that what you will.

not to mention 98% of his posts display even worse me-tooism than that which I am demonstrating right now

[Chach]

Wafflin-SS Cream Commotion

fixed, now with extra nazi!

[Onijin]

Do you wonder why 98% of your posts over the years have been completely ignored by everyone?Make of that what you will.

Don't really care anymore, to be blunt.

[stevie_]

I struggle to maintain equanimity in the face of the intellectual disconnect in trying to shoe-horn peoples a bare two hundred years from hunter/gatherer societies into a system with ten thousand years of violent, exploitative history,and expect them to act like everyone else and like it.

Its like serving up shit and waiting for compliments on its flavour.

I can really only come up with questions:

Why should the indigenous peoples of Australia put up with the ongoing shit-house treatment they have received at the hands of civilisation?

Why shouldn't the indigenous peoples of Australia protest in the few manners that are left available?

How is the Beeloo Nyungah people camping out on Heirisson island interrupting the most necessary and important flows of commerce that is the lifeblood of our way of life?

Media reporting and so-called statistics regarding the negotiations, agreements and partied involved have to be taken with a massive dose of skepticism, and I don't believe nearly any of it. Who stands to gain from painting the Beeloo Nyungah in that particular light? Who stands to lose if they are just bulldozed out of sight somewhere.

...and back to the police, because its them that will have to do the bulldozing. Through conquest, dominance and coercion, the Beeloo Nyungah are expected to play by rules other than their own, rules that are massively stacked against them, so no matter what decision our wondrous political representatives and their buddies the developers come up with, they are going to be extremely unhappy.

Leaving what? More violence.

So I ask again. What kind of person joins the police force with a high ideals of "protect and serve", when this kind of shit goes on?

The willfully ignorant, or those want to help with the bulldozing. There is no middle ground.

For the most part, I agree. The problem is, when you ask those questions, you'll get the stock standard responses of "the government is giving them lots of money and I had to work for mine! My grandparents had to pay their way here bla bla" And.... Well.... There are elements of that that does have some kind of truth to it, but as you said, it was only recently they had their land stolen from them.

1 thing I was told was that the land belongs to nobody.... It was only until after I realized- if the land belongs to nobody, how can the crown claim it and sell it off? This is our system and the way our world operates now, so sadly, we do have to attempt to adjust to it and I think we'd be better off attempting to accommodate that in some way.

The thing is, I can accept those kinds of comments, there is validity to them.... But I think it's also a bit sad compassion seems to be lacking and this whole idea of "they do it to themselves" crap keeps popping up. They lost the war, so its their fault because wars were always fought and that's just the way humans have settled things, again, as harsh as this comment is, it does somewhat ring true. I just still think we can show a bit more compassion and try and listen more than we actually do.

I don't know enough about the issue tbh, but cheers for the input

[c_avdas]

They lost the war, so its their fault because wars were always fought and that's just the way humans have settled things, again, as harsh as this comment is, it does somewhat ring true.

I always find this one a lot harder to argue against than all the "we give them all this money and stuff but one of them called me a white cunt when I wouldn't give them a cigarette so I hate them all and they deserve it" bullshit that I always hear, because the whole essence of it has some element of truth - basically "we invaded and we won, what of it" instead of "we're so NICE, why do they keep being so MEAN back to us"

pairs quite well with the "are we the baddies?" theme that I sometimes think about though

[nosaj D:]

Fault kind of implies wrong doing, and war does not define who is right.
A reason i hear from my mum a bit when deamonising natives is the group-attacks on one or two people just going about their lives. This might be a product of the anger and torment their families have transmitted to them in these past generations over what occurred with the invasion. The problem is our generations are so removed from that event, nobody alive today actually witnessed it, so there's a disconnect between that anger and our role as the 'white man'. But still, why should i have to face the anger when i myself have done nothing wrong? I havn't been mobbed myself, but even when im riding past a few aboriginals i'll often hear a loud crack after im about 40m away, as if they're banging something down.
But is it right to feel resentment towards the individual for being made that way? Society seems to say yes, hence prisons and war. The enlightened that doesn't want to be tied down to the physical reality says no.

[miss_p*]

In Chilliwack, this guy stands by the lights at the intersections. A different approach!

[chay]

But still, why should i have to face the anger when i myself have done nothing wrong?

because you are in the single most privileged position in the world outside of being the living steve jobbs, and empathy for the extremely disadvantaged position you're intelligent enough to recognise the 'others' are in would dictate that you are capable of sucking it up?

[c_avdas]

But still, why should i have to face the anger when i myself have done nothing wrong?

I read a quote recently which addresses that, will have to hunt it down this arvo when I get home

[Multivital]

Fault kind of implies wrong doing, and war does not define who is right.
A reason i hear from my mum a bit when deamonising natives is the group-attacks on one or two people just going about their lives. This might be a product of the anger and torment their families have transmitted to them in these past generations over what occurred with the invasion. The problem is our generations are so removed from that event, nobody alive today actually witnessed it, so there's a disconnect between that anger and our role as the 'white man'. But still, why should i have to face the anger when i myself have done nothing wrong? I havn't been mobbed myself, but even when im riding past a few aboriginals i'll often hear a loud crack after im about 40m away, as if they're banging something down.
But is it right to feel resentment towards the individual for being made that way? Society seems to say yes, hence prisons and war. The enlightened that doesn't want to be tied down to the physical reality says no.

So you don't think knowing receipt of stolen goods is a crime?

So for example if you were bored and your housemate stole the Xbox from the poor kids next door for you, you'd have no problem? Those poor kids who have cancer and aids?

[dart]

Waffen-SS Cream Commotion

hee hee. .

Boysenberry Blitzkrieg

[Satan]

So you don't think knowing receipt of stolen goods is a crime?So for example if you were bored and your housemate stole the Xbox from the poor kids next door for you, you'd have no problem? Those poor kids who have cancer and aids?

But he gave then cancer and aids in the first place.

[Multivital]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1226311840212

More evidence of excessive violence, evidence tampering and witness intimidation.

IF PEOPLE DIDN'T MAKE EYE CONTACT THEY WOULD NOT BE FORCED TO DO IT /copwife

[Kevin]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1226311840212More evidence of excessive violence, evidence tampering and witness intimidation.IF PEOPLE DIDN'T MAKE EYE CONTACT THEY WOULD NOT BE FORCED TO DO IT /copwife

When it's ok to reference Perthnow

[heist]

but three police inquiries found no wrongdoing by police

you can't argue with that

[fatnick]

I would like an extra one just to be sure. Nothing like more sample size to give you credible data.

[Slurm]

Its likes shoplifting and interrogating yourself afterwards.

[heist]

repeatedly abused and deprived of liberty and though it was without cause, the police did nothing wrong.

which is interesting - cops exercising the full limit of their powers without cause, does not violate policy.

[ZD]

everyone should have a quicklink to record video or sound on their phone if stopped by the cops. try not to bring attention to it. don't lie to police about it either. it may be illegal (not sure really) but if something goes down it can only help you (assuming you're the victim).

[Slurm]

Yes its illegal to record a conversation without the other parties knowledge.

[ZD]

if it's illegal to cover my ass and have something to back up my claims against a police officer that abuses their power. so be it. there is such a thing as trial by media.

[nosaj D:]

because you are in the single most privileged position in the world outside of being the living steve jobbs, and empathy for the extremely disadvantaged position you're intelligent enough to recognise the 'others' are in would dictate that you are capable of sucking it up?

Indeed, but the attrition of this over a long period does tend to change my thoughts from 'what was that' to 'why do they keep doing that -_-'
My guess? Cause im white. Though you are right, being white i do suffer a lot less at the hands of racist people than if i was another skin color.

I read a quote recently which addresses that, will have to hunt it down this arvo when I get home

Would appreciate it

So you don't think knowing receipt of stolen goods is a crime?

So for example if you were bored and your housemate stole the Xbox from the poor kids next door for you, you'd have no problem? Those poor kids who have cancer and aids?

Video games are bad for kids. They make them more violent and rots the imagination ;D
srsly though care to elaborate on 'stolen goods'? You mean land?

[nosaj D:]

Yes its illegal to record a conversation without the other parties knowledge.

Does not bode well for psychological research :P

[frogman]

Yes its illegal to record a conversation without the other parties knowledge.

I would love to get deflos knowledge on this one.

Recording a 3rd party without their consent should be inadmissible, but recording a public servant, in public, should be.

[fatnick]

I have heard recording video is not equally illegal as is audio? so what about then recording as a video, but just using the audio as the recording device/camera is in your pocket?

[nosaj D:]

Or having the camera replace a button on your shirt, as we often see on ACA/TT with their 'undercover' reports

[c_avdas]

Would appreciate it

dammit I can't find it
will post it if I do

[Slurm]

Yeah its not so much the recording but what you do with it afterwards.

The law differs state to state.

You can almost certainly not use a phone or other telecommunications device to do it in any state.

Telecommunications act of 1975 and Listening devices act of 1985 are most Relevent I think

eg

4 Use of listening devices
(1) A person shall not use, or cause to be used, a listening device—
(a) to listen to or to record a private conversation to which the person is not a party; or
(b) to record a private conversation to which the person is a party.

Excepting:

4.3(b)

(i) the recording of the conversation is considered by that principal party, on reasonable grounds, to be necessary for the protection of that principal party’s lawful interests; or

or

6.2

(ii) with the consent of each principal party to the conversation;

So ZD is on to something. If its protection of your lawful interests, which I would say any conversation with a law enforcement officer most certainly is, record away.

[nosaj D:]

Did you find anything on video footage? Needless to say i should rig up some kind of button-push concealed system, just in case.
Or just pretend to turn my mp3 player on pause and hit the record button

[nosaj D:]

http://www.edowa.org.au/files/articl..._activity..pdf
This is relevant
'Furthermore, it might be suggested that an activity that takes place on public lands such as State forests or public roads could not be expected by a reasonable person to occur in private, without more'

'Any person may make an emergency use of an optical surveillance device to observe a private activity without the consent of any of the parties to the activity if there are reasonable grounds for believing that the circumstances are so serious and the matter of such urgency that the use of the device is in the public interest.'

The public interest
There is a wide public interest in the exclusio of evidence illegally obtained. There may be a balancing act to be undertaken to determine which public interest will prevail. For the purpose of Part 5 the use of optical surveillance devices is in the public interest if it is in the interests of national security, public safety, the economic well-being of Australia, the protection of public health and morals, and the protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens.33
This list is not exhaustive and may include other interests

[GrandMaster]

[Kevin]

Frogside is going to fuck u up

[Satan]

Fuck the poe leece!

[stevie_]

Hahahahaha classic! Lovin it!

[BLEGH!]

So motion granted to raise the topic of Bennie to the Police thread.

Question - I can't recall who said it and I can't be fucked going back but do you really believe drug addiction is akin to mental illness ??

Of all the 'drugs' out there - the only drug that cannot be 'cold turkeyed' is alcohol. Go figure!

[frogman]

Question - I can't recall who said it and I can't be fucked going back but do you really believe drug addiction is akin to mental illness ??

Of all the 'drugs' out there - the only drug that cannot be 'cold turkeyed' is alcohol. Go figure!

Its a form of. Its not 100% completely analogous.

And im going to need a citation on that cold turkey BS.

[heist]

Question - I can't recall who said it and I can't be fucked going back but do you really believe drug addiction is akin to mental illness ??

you'll have to define mental illness first (cue ts clusterfuck #14)

i think it's attractive to try frame it as such in order to get away from it being an "evil, selfish action".. but i doubt the categorisation properly fits, or even matters.

what does matter is what's a reasonable response to people who need/want help - some addictions may benefit from the same treatments as some mental illnesses? i really don't know.

what we can be certain of, is that addiction should not be treated as a crime. it's not a crime. it's a physiological state.

[BLEGH!]

Ok from the mouth of my friend to TS to which I don't feel the need to defend but it has been interesting looking it up.
In my headspace I believe its true (also depends on how far down the rabbit hole you are in relation to your 'addiction'.)

But let Wikipedia say what it will:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_turkey

Excerpt from Wiki: The supposed disadvantages related to the abuse of drugs such as alcohol, benzodiazepines, and heroin are unbearable withdrawal symptoms from the total absence, which may cause tremendous stress on the heart and blood vessels (and, in a worst case scenario, possible stroke or heart failure).^{[citation needed]} Sudden withdrawal from drugs such as alcohol, benzodiazepines and barbiturates can be extremely dangerous, leading to potentially fatal seizures. In long-term alcoholics, going cold turkey can cause life-threatening delirium tremens and thus is not an appropriate method for breaking an alcohol addiction.^[1]

[frogman]

In my headspace I believe its true (also depends on how far down the rabbit hole you are in relation to your 'addiction'.)

Oh, well, if you believe its true, it must be. Sorry for doubting. Why did you put addiction in quote marks?

But let Wikipedia say what it will:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_turkey

Excerpt from Wiki: The supposed disadvantages related to the abuse of drugs such as alcohol, benzodiazepines, and heroin are unbearable withdrawal symptoms from the total absence, which may cause tremendous stress on the heart and blood vessels (and, in a worst case scenario, possible stroke or heart failure).^{[citation needed]} Sudden withdrawal from drugs such as alcohol, benzodiazepines and barbiturates can be extremely dangerous, leading to potentially fatal seizures. In long-term alcoholics, going cold turkey can cause life-threatening delirium tremens and thus is not an appropriate method for breaking an alcohol addiction.^[1]

That doesnt back up your case that alcohol is the only drug that cannot be quit cold turkey.

[BLEGH!]

Oh, well, if you believe its true, it must be. Sorry for doubting. Why did you put addiction in quote marks?

To open a can of worms - I don't understand drug addiction.
You try it, you like it, you keep on doing it. At most stages in life you can stop doing what you're doing if you WANT to.

That doesnt back up your case that alcohol is the only drug that cannot be quit cold turkey.

This is true. I will question friend.