Leaving Home --> Study???

**Bubbs** · 22-04-2003, 10:28 PM

i was just wanting to know of peoples opinions/experiences with study and being at home compared to leaving home.

do you study as much once you've left home, better/worse concentration?

basiclly how did leaving home effect your studies.

my mum drives me crazy and i cant study when she is at home cause of all the guilt trips, yelling and shit she throws at me it wrecks me emotionally then she might walk away but im left distraught and cant finnish my assignment or whatever.

but at the same time if i move out of home, i will have to work a fucking shit load to pay for it so wont find time for study, plus i know ppl who have moved out and just had a big long party and gotten fucked up that way so therefore fail/quit uni too.

**pÃ´m** · 22-04-2003, 10:35 PM

library

**Gilbert Grape** · 22-04-2003, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Bubbs
guilt trips, yelling and shit she throws at me

that's not cool :|

**Ed Hoover** · 22-04-2003, 10:44 PM

my mum and i get on heaps better now that we don't live together.

if you decide to move tho, move in with someone stable, older people are good for a routine, like someone else who studies or works alot.

hope your relations improve with your mum, otherwise like pom suggested, study at the library

**Bubbs** · 22-04-2003, 10:45 PM

she doesn't literally THROW stuff at me. she just bitches at me.

eg. tonite i left a coat hanger on the door handle. BIG physics assignment due soon. i end up in tears.

that not cool.

Porn: yeah does work sometimes, but its sooo lonley and a bitch to have to cart floppy disks, books etc to and fro

**jamie** · 22-04-2003, 11:34 PM

you can live out of home on austudy

**PKING** · 22-04-2003, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Bubbs
she doesn't literally THROW stuff at me.

shiiit. you got it lucky...all the women that have been in my life normally throw plates or other things at me

**tomgeezer** · 23-04-2003, 01:03 AM

if you move out Kate make sure you definitely have the cash to do so

i work as well as get youth allowance and i get by, but its hard sometimes

moving out hasn't affected my study at all really, i just think that i can't let this moving out of home thing ruin my career, and i get motivation somehow

if anything its improved my motivation because i feel more independent and want to achieve more

**stix** · 23-04-2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by jamie
you can live out of home on austudy

austudy is fuck all... you need more income then that if you dont want to be poor 24/7

**starkIRst** · 23-04-2003, 01:22 AM

hrrrmmmss . im trying to make this EXACT decision right now..

*dilema*

**slave** · 23-04-2003, 09:35 AM

speaking of moving out, anyone selling a fridge?

**hArDcOrE rAvEsS** · 23-04-2003, 09:40 AM

Why don't you just explain to your mother that you would like no interruptions whilst your studying because it affects your concentration and performance?

Or get a lock for your bedroom/study room?

**osiris** · 23-04-2003, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Bubbs
plus i know ppl who have moved out and just had a big long party and gotten fucked up that way so therefore fail/quit uni too.

And i know people who have moved out of home and succesfully studied, a science degree and then a law degree at notre dame.

There are two sides to every story, just because you move out of home it doesn't mean life becomes one big party. It's more a learning curve. If you have discipline to study at home then generally you will have discipline to study when you move out of home.

But if you are moving out of home because you believe it will make it easier to party, travel, quit study, etc, then that's what you will do.

main thing is *BUDGET*

do up a budget
do up another budget
put it all sortsof different variables.

if you can come up with a worst case scenario budget, and still get by on that, then do it.

There's no point in budgetting for an income that you might only be on temporarily, or budgetting for $20 a week in food when you know you will use a lot more then that.

do it

**tuxic** · 23-04-2003, 11:18 AM

yeah, i am in my final year of my degree and haven't lived with my parents for any of it, as far as money goes and having to work, i probably would have struggled without youth allowance as i have heaps of contact hours, but i work and get youth allowance so allllls good

just don;t party toooo much during semester , i found after three months off over summer 1st semester was always a good drying out period

**keristar** · 23-04-2003, 11:29 AM

I moved out of home so I could get to TAFE & work easily

15 minutes on train compared to an hour on the bus from the hills

But I have found that I am partying too hard huhu
I need my mum to tell me to pull my head in

Austudy is definitely not enough to live off, I'm just lucky that I got an easy going part time job as well that pays in cash

moving out of home is good though, a lot more privacy and freedom, plus I loove having the house to myself all day on my days off

**geisha** · 23-04-2003, 12:12 PM

bubbs - when i was doing my first uni course, i had exactly the same prob as you. i wanted to leave home sooooooooo badly and i found it hard to do my uni work too.

then i finished uni and moved out and was working, and also ended up going back to so the second course (which i am currently doing).

it was hard to work/study plus i had no car. basically i was either at work, or at uni, or on my way to either of them. there was not a lot of spare time or money for extra stuff. as mentioned before, i had no car, so i was always using public transport. luckily i lived up the road from work, so it wasn't too much of a drama.

i also had no computer/printer at home, making it hard to do research/homework/study.

in the end (due to circumstances outside of my power) i ended up moving home. i admit, it's much easier plus i don't have to worry about doing the food shopping/cooking/cleaning.

of course it's a trade-off...i have to put up with my parents guilt trips and stuff too, plus i can't exactly get busted up on the weekend and come home and chill, so there are definitely draw backs to living at home, but as far as quality of study, you really can't beat it.

sorry, but it's the truth.

alternatively, try finding a rich sugar daddy bf who will keep you and give you peace. all you will need to do is be a sexual tap of favours and stuff?

**flaunt** · 23-04-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by geisha
alternatively, try finding a rich sugar daddy bf who will keep you and give you peace. all you will need to do is be a sexual tap of favours and stuff?

ROFL
you dirty girl!

**geisha** · 23-04-2003, 12:40 PM

yes
i'm filthy

**Paj** · 23-04-2003, 02:37 PM

Living out of home is an excellent thing.......your personality will develop in new ways as you become more and more self reliant, and you'll probably find that you learn lots about yourself, your likes and dislikes, your personality and all that kind of shit.

however.........if youre moving out for the first time its a good idea to move in with friends, or at least people you know reasonably well. This will make it a lot easier to adjust, plus if youre feeling shitty and theres no parents to confide in, having a friendly face around the house is a big bonus. And if you move in with a really good friend, then you'll have a ball.

also....make sure you can afford it. If you get youth allowance, you WILL need a job as well. also consider transport to/from work/uni, proximity of shops and liquor outlets........basically whatever else you think u'll need.

**Haile Selassie** · 23-04-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Bubbs
Porn: yeah does work sometimes, but its sooo lonley and a bitch to have to cart floppy disks, books etc to and fro

not trying to be offensive but it seems as if your making excuses here. You complain in your initial post that you cant get any work done at home because of the constant distractions yet you dont want to goto the library because its lonely??

If you dont have a study ethic then changing your enviroment wont help.

I cant study at home either, too noisy, no room etc so i allways goto the library. I have routine now, its quiet, easy, cheap coffee etc! good! Admitadly it is a pain in the arse how it closes when im not ready to stop studying and when they do fire drills half way through a three page problem.. but its the best alternative. The only other alternative i can think of is getting a place all to myself and setting up a study haven. it wont happen.

Remember that your parents are probably going to be more supportive of any studying than a bunch of party hardy housemates! ive seen it happen.

**musika** · 23-04-2003, 03:42 PM

If you're lucky enough to have parents who are well off enough to support you while you study, and you're still pretty young, I'd say you're mad to give it all up just because your mum shits you.
If my mum and dad could afford to have me as a student, I'd be there with bells on, and beleive me, no-ones mum gives more guilt trips and hassle than mine (bless her heart).
Living away from home is when life begins, it's the shit, you'll finally find yourself and you'll have an absolute blast.
But can't that wait?.... my advice is to knuckle down and deal with one life hurdle at a time.
If you think your mum is a hassle, wait till you have to cover phone, gas, electricty and rent. Boom fucking shanka.
It all adds up, and I sometimes stress, even with a full time wage.
Not to mention flatemates and cleaning and yadda yadda yadda, the list goes on.

I mean, if you really have to get out, like if you're being abused, by all means, get the fuck out!
But if you're just unhappy cos of a personality clash with your oldies, it might help to step outside the square you live in, and look at what you HAVE and not what you DON'T have.

You're actually very very lucky.

**Bish** · 23-04-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by lexi
If you're lucky enough to have parents who are well off enough to support you while you study, and you're still pretty young, I'd say you're mad to give it all up just because your mum shits you.
If my mum and dad could afford to have me as a student, I'd be there with bells on, and beleive me, no-ones mum gives more guilt trips and hassle than mine (bless her heart).
Living away from home is when life begins, it's the shit, you'll finally find yourself and you'll have an absolute blast.
But can't that wait?.... my advice is to knuckle down and deal with one life hurdle at a time.
If you think your mum is a hassle, wait till you have to cover phone, gas, electricty and rent. Boom fucking shanka.
It all adds up, and I sometimes stress, even with a full time wage.
Not to mention flatemates and cleaning and yadda yadda yadda, the list goes on.

I mean, if you really have to get out, like if you're being abused, by all means, get the fuck out!
But if you're just unhappy cos of a personality clash with your oldies, it might help to step outside the square you live in, and look at what you HAVE and not what you DON'T have.

You're actually very very lucky.

spot-fuckin-on.

first year of uni, i lived at home, got decent marks. moved out and the grades went downhill. trying to work 2 jobs, one of them in a nightclub, whilst studying fulltime was hardcore. i was jealous as hell of the people that still lived at home with their parents at uni. I basically had to move out cause i couldn't handle all the traveling. that liberating feeling you get when you move out is awesome, but the responsibilities are something else.

**mooki** · 23-04-2003, 03:57 PM

when i moved out i studied ten times more then when i was at home
theres double the people in the house im in then at home, yet its quiter and i get so much more done

i wouldnt complain about getting austudy.. ive lived ok out of home studying fulltime and working to pay my way with no money from the gov...

**musika** · 23-04-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by MoOki
when i moved out i studied ten times more then when i was at home
theres double the people in the house im in then at home, yet its quiter and i get so much more done

i wouldnt complain about getting austudy.. ive lived ok out of home studying fulltime and working to pay my way with no money from the gov...

if you don't mind saying, what kind of work do you/did you do, mooki?

Tension · 23-04-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by lexi
If you're lucky enough to have parents who are well off enough to support you while you study, and you're still pretty young, I'd say you're mad to give it all up just because your mum shits you.
If my mum and dad could afford to have me as a student, I'd be there with bells on, and beleive me, no-ones mum gives more guilt trips and hassle than mine (bless her heart).
Living away from home is when life begins, it's the shit, you'll finally find yourself and you'll have an absolute blast.
But can't that wait?.... my advice is to knuckle down and deal with one life hurdle at a time.
If you think your mum is a hassle, wait till you have to cover phone, gas, electricty and rent. Boom fucking shanka.
It all adds up, and I sometimes stress, even with a full time wage.
Not to mention flatemates and cleaning and yadda yadda yadda, the list goes on.

I mean, if you really have to get out, like if you're being abused, by all means, get the fuck out!
But if you're just unhappy cos of a personality clash with your oldies, it might help to step outside the square you live in, and look at what you HAVE and not what you DON'T have.

You're actually very very lucky.

Lexi I want you to be my personal guidence councillor

**mooki** · 23-04-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by lexi
if you don't mind saying, what kind of work do you/did you do, mooki?

I work at a cafe. i get $11.36 an hour.

**Haile Selassie** · 23-04-2003, 04:22 PM

your getting ripped off

**richw** · 23-04-2003, 05:48 PM

Im at the other extreme Kate. Studying parttime and working fulltime. Sometimes I get stuff done at home, sometimes at my parents, sometimes at a library, sometimes at work. I dont really have a "study haven."

When I was doing undergrad I was having a hell of a time with my parents, between working late hours, and studying I had a completely different timetable to the rest of the house that they didnt really understand. I talked about moving out, but then we discussed the situation and worked it out.

If you cant do that, then maybe moving near uni might be an option. Good luck and I hope you get good housemates!

PS - you better invite me to the housewarming.

**Mr Bradley Mr Martin** · 23-04-2003, 06:22 PM

big tip: do not live in northbridge in a cool pad. there is always someone local, someone visiting, and because you're always in the heart of things there is always something more interesting to do than what you are studying. thank god i lived at home while i studied or my ass would have failed.

seriously: if your place becomes a party house you are fucked.

when at uni i used to study in the library. not so much because of parental problems, but more because my room is a really fun place to hang out, i get on with my brother and sister really well, and home is a place too easy to procrastinate. its like a non-virtual internet.

the library on the other hand is pretty dry, so i got heaps done there. i usually preferred obscure corners on rarely used floors, or even libraries of other faculties. and my marks were tops.

if you move out you can do so on job + austudy. HEAPS of people do it successfully. but you'll lose heaps of time because you have more responsibilities and you will go out more.

i recommend not moving out with friends. if you are the soft reliant type maybe, but if not, go it alone or with someone you don't know. reason: when the relationship goes to hell you don;t lose a friend. i lived with a girl i found out the paper for 10 months without a hassle and we are still friends. also if you are a girl or relatively clean guy better to live with someone of the opposite sex (just don't sleep with them!). guys living together quickly become slobs. girls eventually start clawing each others eyes out. not everytime but it happens often enough.

i live alone now and its bliss...

anyhow, give it a go: if it doesn't work you can always go crawling back to mommy

**Paj** · 23-04-2003, 07:06 PM

interesting comments mr b.

sounds like you have had a lot of different experinces of living out than I have. I reckon same sex households are the go, I lived with a really hot chick for a while and it did my head in, seeing her come out of the shower with only a towel and stuff like that made it difficult to concentrate.

Its true that guys living together become slobs, but its good if that guy is a friend and you can bring shit up without feeling like a wang head, rather than having to dance around the issues in order to maintain house harmony.

but i agree 100% with not letting ur house become a party house.....then it becomes a fucken hassle, theres all these stoners and speedfreaks you dont know coming in and out of the place at wee hours, playing tunes till 5 am before you have uni......that is possibly the most annoying thing abaout living out of home, apart from crew who dont clean up or pay rent/bills.

**jamie** · 23-04-2003, 07:18 PM

i dont know how you can say austudy isnt enough to live on, sure it sucks trying to, but you just need to sacrifice going RavInG every weekend

you can find a 3bedroom house in a nice suburb for under 200 a week, bills and shit end up being probably $150ish per month between 3 people, food is 50ish per week

doesnt leave you with much, but if you can't handle being at home, its a viable.

i was getting austudy in 1999, and i wasnt even getting the full amount, i wasnt 18 yet so i got fuck all, we had a 3 bedroom house in como, $130 a week
bills and crap came to fuck all, i managed easily enough for 6 months before i moved

**keristar** · 23-04-2003, 07:34 PM

I could live off Austudy, I took my job more than anything because it's a good way to make some extra money, with that I've been able to pay for a lot more things, and afford to get some fandangled equipment for tafe, without the extra money I would be struggling in my course...

it's kinda bad though... Now I want to leave TAFE and work full time, the money is too tempting

**Mr Bradley Mr Martin** · 23-04-2003, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Pierre
I reckon same sex households are the go, I lived with a really hot chick for a while and it did my head in, seeing her come out of the shower with only a towel and stuff like that made it difficult to concentrate.

my roommate was pin up material. hubba hubba. you just have to manage sexual tension and work a few boundaries. we must have been pretty good at it considering we were almost always drunk. watching her hoola hoop in lingerie on rollerskates was always a laugh. the rollerskating was the beginning of the end though: we were evicted for noise when amongst other crimes we were busted for rollerskating on bubblewrap in the middle of the night.

it was good while it lasted....

**musika** · 24-04-2003, 10:09 AM

the following are the various houses I've shared

- a three bedroom house in Glendalough (haha $120 a week - what a hole) with my two best mates (both male)

- an immaculate house with my boss at the time. (driver and labourer for a fencing contractor)
Free rent, free use of his car and free petrol. Wembley.

- a three bedroom character house in West Leederville with six people. Once had a party with 400
people. Spent more time sleeping in my Kombie.

- a two bedroom shoebox in North Perth with one of my brothers.

- another shared house in North Perth with my brother and some weirdo.

- a big beautiful modern home in Leederville with my boyfriend and various travellers who we rented rooms to.

- a two bedroom character home in North Perth with some lesbian i met in the paper.

- a three storey apartment in Northbridge with a pool, spa, gym and sauna. Extremely luxurious, I had the entire ground floor to myself, with my own entrance. Shared with a couple.

- a three bedroom apartment in Northbridge with two guys.

- a one bedroom apartment in the city by myself.

there may be a few i forgot.

anyone read "He Died With A Falafel In His Hand"?

yeah. well.

**Mr Bradley Mr Martin** · 24-04-2003, 10:21 AM

lexi: impressive list. you must be good value for stories at parties

worst unknown housemate story i know: friend of mine who got an asian student (as in student visa) from murdoch and eventually had to get rid of him because he never did any cleaning and spent all day watching porn videos and masturbating loudly in his bedroom

worst known housemate story i know: a house of grotty anarchists who ended up getting evicted and then worked out it was because one of their housemates had shot 3 months of their rent into his arm

**musika** · 24-04-2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Mr Bradley Mr Martin
lexi: impressive list. you must be good value for stories at parties

i can also say the alphabet backwards and can pick my nose with my tongue.
oh and i can keep one eye perfectly still while i move the other one in circles.
i dont go to many parties any more.

**Mr Bradley Mr Martin** · 24-04-2003, 10:36 AM

not sure about the nose picking, but girls with long tongues, mmmmmmm.................

**the grey area** · 24-04-2003, 12:12 PM

When I was studying last year, I had to use the library a lot so living close to the city was a definite plus. It also meant I could duck in to the uni for a few minutes without having to make a whole day of it, could take advantage of uni facilities etc more.

But by the same token, towards the end of the year (when everything was due) I found myself paying week-long visits to the parents. Much quieter up in the hills, less distractions, nowhere close to go out to etc...

**DiSaSSociateD** · 24-04-2003, 01:25 PM

yer i rekon library is much better than the family home, i used to go there a lot to study last year, once ya get used to it its a really good place to study, you can get a lot done. I am studying again next year and i plan to move out. There are a lot of advantages to staying at home, but i think they are shadowed by the fact that ya jus gotta get out there and learn to fend for your fragile little self and learn some degree of self dicipline (i suppose...

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**Bubbs** · 27-04-2003, 09:37 PM

fanx for sheading some light.

i think i will definitely think bout it long and hard.

**Ground Zero** · 28-04-2003, 04:37 PM

You will need to evaluate a variety of issues prior to making the move.

Firstly, what is it that is causing you to study effectively? If upon further reflection, you find it to be internal factors such as lack of motivation etc, I would suggest you take a new approach to your study. You might want to adopt the perspective of uni being a full-time job. Turn up at 9am and leave at 5pm regardless of your schedule for the day. In between lectures spend your time in the library. I mean effective use of your time too! Not sitting around chatting to friends. Whilst this approach may sound geekish, you will actually find yourself enjoying your weekends more because you no longer have to do as much cramming. It will also prepare you well for the work after uni where you'll be lucky to only have to work 9-5

If the factors are primary external (ie: annoying parents), you might want to skip to question 2.

When moving out, it is ESSENTIAL to carefully evaluate your finances. Beyond simply the rent you pay each week, you will most likely be faced with a large initial outlay for bond (and possibly letting fees & stamp duty). Do you have furniture? Incorporate the cost of bills (& associated connection fees). Food will cost you (especially the first shop)... do you have pots? pans? plates? knives? forks? etc etc... I'd be surprised if Youth Allowance came even close to covering this for most people. If you pass this test, go to question 3.

Choosing where to live and with whom. Living close to uni will cut transport costs. I personally have always preferred to live with members of the opposite sex (I'm male) for the reasons outlined by Mr Bradley. In general girls are cleaner and maintain a better routine. If you're a messy type though, you will most likely have to cop endless grief from your fed-up housemate though. Many guys I know can barely find their way out through the piles of dirty clothes on their floor and have a fridge with only beer in it ( = expensive take away meals each night). Similarly, I would not ever consider living with a stranger... I'm just too paranoid.

Overall, providing it is financially viable I believe living out of home is a wonderful learning experience and a great way to develop independence. You will enjoy your life more than ever and your relationship with the parents often improves. However, there are also many potential pitfalls. You will also have a newfound freedom which could lead you down the path of 9pm-5am partying rather than 9am-5pm study.

Think it through rationally and Good Luck

**Lashed** · 28-04-2003, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by lexi
- a one bedroom apartment in the city by myself.

Do you rent this apartment in the City Lexi or did you buy it? I would love to live in the city but I think it would be way too expensive for me.

**Ground Zero** · 28-04-2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Lashed
Do you rent this apartment in the City Lexi or did you buy it? I would love to live in the city but I think it would be way too expensive for me.

Prices for one bdrm places fluctuate wildly in Perth City. You have the ones across the road from Langley Park (Mount Street I think) which are around $100-130 p/wk. Pretty old and don't look very secure though. Prices sky rocket from there.

If your looking at buying you can get some good apartments on Mounts Bay Road for about $180k which is a good deal. Was looking at buying one last year and was very impressed to find brand new 1 bdrm Waldorf apartments for this price.

**musika** · 29-04-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Lashed
Do you rent this apartment in the City Lexi or did you buy it? I would love to live in the city but I think it would be way too expensive for me.

Hay Street - The Paragon CBD - $170 rent per week (was $220 but i got lucky)

**Ground Zero** · 29-04-2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by lexi
Hay Street - The Paragon CBD - $170 rent per week (was $220 but i got lucky)

Good Deal

Does that include secure parking? What are the interiors like?

**musika** · 29-04-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by PhD

Good Deal

Does that include secure parking? What are the interiors like?

no parking, but i dont own a car

the interior is swish

stainless steel appliances and modern fixtures

noone had ever lived there either, so the bath had never been used!

they dont advertise. you have to go into Westpoint Realty and make an appointment

**GoOsH** · 29-04-2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by PhD

Good Deal

Does that include secure parking? What are the interiors like?

I don't think paragon includes parking - but it's a nice joint, I'm working right next door at the moment (Central Park)

**richw** · 29-04-2003, 10:04 AM

I like the bar/restaurant downstairs. The fresh bread there is good!!! Good Pasta too... but I havent been in a while.

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